A BFR question

If all he flew has been in the Air Force, he may have to get SEL added
to his ticket before he can go renting a single engine. He may be
limited to centerline thrust on multis also.- Hide quoted text -

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That would be interesting. To have a ME limited to centerline thrust
but no single engine rating. Almost seems like an oxymoron.

-Robert

It's true.. and it happens.. AF Trained pilots, T-37, T-38, F-15 are Multi
Engine, Centerline Thrust.
They take a written, and based on military check ride (Form 8) are able to
be issued a Commercial, Instrument, Multi Engine and never know anything
about Props or P-factor or engines other than jets.

No SE.

You want to have real fun.. teach those jet jockeys how to fly gliders,
providing they had not gone through the glider course at the academy.

BT

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:16:47 -0800, BT wrote:

They take a written, and based on military check ride (Form 8) are able to
be issued a Commercial, Instrument, Multi Engine and never know anything
about Props or P-factor or engines other than jets.

BT, I was under the impression that a military pilot didn't need an FAA
certificate to fly in the military. Was this an incorrect assumption?


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Dallas

"Dallas" wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:16:47 -0800, BT wrote:

They take a written, and based on military check ride (Form 8) are able
to
be issued a Commercial, Instrument, Multi Engine and never know anything
about Props or P-factor or engines other than jets.

BT, I was under the impression that a military pilot didn't need an FAA
certificate to fly in the military. Was this an incorrect assumption?


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Dallas

Dallas, you are correct, no FAA Certificate, but does have to have a valid
military check ride that is recorded on AF Form 8. The military issues the
military pilot his qualifications. No "certificate", just papers in a folder
maintained in "Flight Records".

The military pilot can take that current AF Form 8 to the nearest FSDO and
be issued a Civilian Pilot Certificate. If he is flying aircraft with more
than one engine, he gets a ME rating, if it is "fighters", certain types are
considered centerline thrust. If he is flying a tanker or transport, he can
have the centerline thrust removed. Also, as part of the Form 8 papers are
annotations of instrument checkride, so he gets the Instrument rating.

That does not qualify him to fly, Airplane Single Engine, unless his
military Form 8 is for a single engine aircraft.

BT

On Jan 22, 9:26*pm, "BT" wrote:
"Dallas" wrote in message

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On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:16:47 -0800, BT wrote:

They take a written, and based on military check ride (Form 8) are able
to
be issued a Commercial, Instrument, Multi Engine and never know anything
about Props or P-factor or engines other than jets.

BT, I was under the impression that a military pilot didn't need an FAA
certificate to fly in the military. *Was this an incorrect assumption?

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Dallas

Dallas, you are correct, no FAA Certificate, but does have to have a valid
military check ride that is recorded on AF Form 8. The military issues the
military pilot his qualifications. No "certificate", just papers in a folder
maintained in "Flight Records".

The military pilot can take that current AF Form 8 to the nearest FSDO and
be issued a Civilian Pilot Certificate. If he is flying aircraft with more
than one engine, he gets a ME rating, if it is "fighters", certain types are
considered centerline thrust. If he is flying a tanker or transport, he can
have the centerline thrust removed. Also, as part of the Form 8 papers are
annotations of instrument checkride, so he gets the Instrument rating.

That does not qualify him to fly, Airplane Single Engine, unless his
military Form 8 is for a single engine aircraft.

BT

Also, some military check pilots are also FAA examiners. Some of the
pilots out at Travis AFB say they got their ATP ME in the C-5 when
they took their military check ride.

-Robert

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:26:35 -0800, BT wrote:

The military pilot can take that current AF Form 8 to the nearest FSDO and
be issued a Civilian Pilot Certificate.

Nicely explained.

thx
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Dallas

On Jan 23, 12:43*pm, Dallas wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:26:35 -0800, BT wrote:
The military pilot can take that current AF Form 8 to the nearest FSDO and
be issued a Civilian Pilot Certificate.

Nicely explained.

Partly. That explaination is only valid for military pilots that are
currently active. Your post mentions your friend is retired. I believe
he only has 24 months from his discharge to request an FAA certificate
on the basis of his military certifications. After that I believe he
has to start from square one.

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On Jan 23, 12:43 pm, Dallas wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:26:35 -0800, BT wrote:
The military pilot can take that current AF Form 8 to the nearest FSDO
and
be issued a Civilian Pilot Certificate.

Nicely explained.

Partly. That explaination is only valid for military pilots that are
currently active. Your post mentions your friend is retired. I believe
he only has 24 months from his discharge to request an FAA certificate
on the basis of his military certifications. After that I believe he
has to start from square one.

-Robert

Correct.. you can only do it as long as the Form 8 is valid, when I was on
active duty.. it was a 17 month check ride cycle. After that the Form 8
expires and the FSDO will not accept it.

BT

On Jan 23, 4:14*pm, "BT" wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in ...
On Jan 23, 12:43 pm, Dallas wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:26:35 -0800, BT wrote:
The military pilot can take that current AF Form 8 to the nearest FSDO
and
be issued a Civilian Pilot Certificate.

Nicely explained.

Partly. That explaination is only valid for military pilots that are
currently active. Your post mentions your friend is retired. I believe
he only has 24 months from his discharge to request an FAA certificate
on the basis of his military certifications. After that I believe he
has to start from square one.

-Robert

Correct.. you can only do it as long as the Form 8 is valid, when I was on
active duty.. it was a 17 month check ride cycle. After that the Form 8
expires and the FSDO will not accept it.

I hope he still has time. That would really be sad for him to lose
that and have to start over again.

-Robert

Dallas wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:16:47 -0800, BT wrote:

They take a written, and based on military check ride (Form 8) are able to
be issued a Commercial, Instrument, Multi Engine and never know anything
about Props or P-factor or engines other than jets.

BT, I was under the impression that a military pilot didn't need an FAA
certificate to fly in the military. Was this an incorrect assumption?

No.

The military has it's own procedures for qualifing pilots, boat captains,
radio/radar techs, etc. that don't involve the FAA, FCC or other agencies
civilians have to deal with.

--
Jim Pennino

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On Jan 22, 9:45*pm, wrote:

The military has it's own procedures for qualifing pilots, boat captains,
radio/radar techs, etc. that don't involve the FAA, FCC or other agencies
civilians have to deal with.

Yea, in CAP we have to meet both. We have to maintain our FAA
certificate to fly the AF owned aircraft and also maintain our CAP
qualifications (similar to the regular AF's). So you need to have a
Form 5 check every 12 months with a check pilot and need additional
check for things like instrument, night, and certain types of flying.

-robert, CFII and USAF Aux Check Pilot