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Phraseology Was: Collision alert!
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Collision alert!
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I couldn't name one, or even imagine one. Well, I can. I'm German. I learned about the phrase the hard way. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Collision alert!
are we supposed to be
impressed? That's the whole point of using these silly phrases, IMHO. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Phraseology Was: Collision alert!
The phrase "my bad" originated in the movie Clueless (I think)
Don Tuite wrote: On 16 Aug 2006 20:08:12 -0700, wrote: Bob Fry wrote: I heard a controller once say "my bad", meaning his mistake, probably not standard phraseology either. Don't know whether it's standard phraseology but my bad = my mistake, no other interpretation that I'm aware of Recent US colloquialism, though. Must have been a TV sitcom catchphrase originally. Don |
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Collision alert!
Thomas Borchert wrote: Well, I can. I'm German. I learned about the phrase the hard way. Then you know. So who is it that doesn't know? Kidding, : ) |
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Collision alert!
Thomas Borchert wrote: Well, I can. I'm German. I learned about the phrase the hard way. Then you know. So who is it that doesn't know? Kidding, : ) Where was this that you first heard it, Europe? It is such a widely used expression, it isn't even challenged. Not that I am endorsing it. I couldn't use it myself. People would think I was just watching some war movie or something. I would think anybody hearing it for the first time, would hear the word "no" in there and wouldn't think that meant the traffic was sighted, doh, im mean "in sight". |
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Collision alert!
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:46:06 -0700, ramapriya.d wrote:
Is it just me that's having a sense of deja moo? Certainly feel I've read such bull before... Troll alert! Greg |
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Collision alert!
"deja moo" Is that the feeling you've seen the cow before?
wrote in message oups.com... Is it just me that's having a sense of deja moo? Certainly feel I've read such bull before... Ramapriya Greg Copeland wrote: "Collision alert! Collision alert! Collision alert!" Needless to say, I doubled my scan to see if the voice on the radio was talking to me. I didn't see anything but continue to scan until I heard more. I had never heard this before, so I was curious as to the situation in which some poor pilot had found himself. |
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Collision alert!
Greg Copeland wrote
"Collision alert! Collision alert! Collision alert!" Sure sound's like something that you wrote-up for Flying's "I learned About Flying From That" column. A little too dramatic don't you think? I don't find "Collision Alert" in the Pilot/Controller Glossary, are you sure that it didn't go something like this, "95X, Dallas Departure, Traffic eleven o'clock, 2 miles, transponder indicates 3,500', turn left heading 150."? After all...this is copied from the AIM: "e. ATC Clearances and Separation. An ATC clearance is required to enter and operate within Class B airspace. VFR pilots are provided sequencing AND SEPARATION from other aircraft while operating within Class B airspace." ATC was required to provide separation services and the situation that you describe should never occur. Of course ATC knew the other aircraft was there by its transponder code...how else did it's altitude become known? From the "Pilot/Controller Glossary: SAFETY ALERT- A safety alert issued by ATC to aircraft under their control if ATC is aware the aircraft is at an altitude which, in the controller's judgment, places the aircraft in unsafe proximity to terrain, obstructions, or other aircraft. The controller may discontinue the issuance of further alerts if the pilot advises he/she is taking action to correct the situation or has the other aircraft in sight. b. Aircraft Conflict Alert- A safety alert issued by ATC to aircraft under their control if ATC is aware of an aircraft that is not under their control at an altitude which, in the controller's judgment, places both aircraft in unsafe proximity to each other. With the alert, ATC will offer the pilot an alternate course of action when feasible; e.g., "TRAFFIC ALERT, advise you turn right heading zero niner zero or climb to eight thousand immediately." "95X, we have him at your six. He is following you to 3500." Needless to say, I'm now wondering if this guy is trying to commit suicide with an air to air. Almost a full minute later (well, I'm sure it wasn't...but seemed like...) and glued to the radio, "95X, the plane has resume his course to the west. He is no longer on your six." Been watching a little too much "Top Gun"? "At your six" geeze...only from a wanna-be fighter pilot. Tom Cruise would be proud of you though. ATC would have said something like this..."the unidentified traffic is now at six o'clock, one mile and descending through xxxx feet. Just curious, how did ATC know that he was "following you to 3,500"? And finally, ATC would have said something like...95X, Dallas Departure, previously reported traffic no longer a factor, fly heading 170, maintain 3,500. Naw....Flying wouldn't have bought it either. :-) Bob Moore ATP B-707 B-727 L-188 CFII AGI PanAm (retired) |
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Collision alert!
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Where was this that you first heard it, Europe? No. It is not at all used here. I would think anybody hearing it for the first time, would hear the word "no" in there and wouldn't think that meant the traffic was sighted, doh, im mean "in sight". Then you should listen in on Napa, CA, tower for a while (home of Japan Airlines basic training). Or Goodyear, AZ (home of Lufthansa training). Or any other place with a lot of non-native speakers. Most people who have not grown up with English language war movies will just go "Huh?" upon hearing that. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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