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Why not bash them? They and the Germans apparently have a lot to hide in Iraq.......

"Wings Of Fury Aviation Photography" a
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Why not bash them? They and the Germans apparently have a lot to hide in
Iraq.......


That's right, instead of looking for WMD start looking for what we've got to
hide....
Remember to tell us what you find, heh.

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Pierre-Henri BARAS

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Encyclopédie de l'Aviation sur le web
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Well, first of all what we find (beyond indisputable evidence of prohibited
WMD programs and materials) is that Jacques Ch-Iraq and several ofhis family
members were getting quite rich skimming money off of the "Oil for Food"
program.

Yeah, that's right- Ch-Iraq was stealing food from the mouths of starving
Iraqi children to line his own pockets (and those of several family
members).

Shame!

Steve Swartz

"Pierre-Henri Baras" wrote in message
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"Wings Of Fury Aviation Photography" a
écrit dans le message de news:
...
Why not bash them? They and the Germans apparently have a lot to hide in
Iraq.......


That's right, instead of looking for WMD start looking for what we've got
to
hide....
Remember to tell us what you find, heh.

--
_________________________________________
Pierre-Henri BARAS

Co-webmaster de French Fleet Air Arm
http://www.ffaa.net
Encyclopédie de l'Aviation sur le web
http://www.aviation-fr.info

"Leslie Swartz" a écrit dans le message de news:
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Well, first of all what we find (beyond indisputable evidence of
prohibited
WMD programs and materials) is that Jacques Ch-Iraq and several ofhis
family
members were getting quite rich skimming money off of the "Oil for Food"
program.

Yeah, that's right- Ch-Iraq was stealing food from the mouths of starving
Iraqi children to line his own pockets (and those of several family
members).


Aw man, you owe me a new screen, I ruined mine laughing so hard.
Gee, do you think Halliburton and KBR sell screens??
I'm just asking that because considering the astronomical amount of $
they're making out of this iraki thingy, they might as well just give one to
me....
I don't think MPRI, Sandline or DSL sell screens though.
Excuse me, what you were saying about Chirac???? Could you please support
your allegations?
A propos the "Oil for Food" program, ask your new friends from Ankara what
they think of it's ending (ie the black market they supported with Husseins'
sons in the Kurdistan region).

Thank you for feeding all those starving kids (grin). BTW now who's gonna
pry that huge Coran out of his hands????
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Pierre-Henri BARAS

Co-webmaster de French Fleet Air Arm
http://www.ffaa.net
Encyclopédie de l'Aviation sur le web
http://www.aviation-fr.info

In article ,
"Pierre-Henri Baras" wrote:

That's right, instead of looking for WMD start looking for what we've got to
hide....
Remember to tell us what you find, heh.

So far, quite a lot.

It's a shame they aren't reporting it in the European papers.

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cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:35:27 GMT, Chad Irby wrote:

So far, quite a lot.

It's a shame they aren't reporting it in the European papers.

Nor, strangely enough, in the North American papers.

On the other hand, we have this lead from an article in the New York
Times for 16 October
(http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/16/in...st/16ARMS.html):
"American officials in Baghdad have identified at least 30 businesses
and individuals in the United States that investigators said they
suspect sold tens of millions of dollars in military technology to
Iraq before the war...." Imagine that: American firms selling arms to
Saddam Hussein.

I'd suggest that before doing any more France-bashing, you read that
article.

Scott

In article ,
Scott MacEachern wrote:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:35:27 GMT, Chad Irby wrote:

So far, quite a lot.

It's a shame they aren't reporting it in the European papers.

Nor, strangely enough, in the North American papers.

Well, maybe not in some of them, but many did mention the actual
contents of the report itself, which *does* hold quite a lot of damning
evidence. But the quick and clueless headlines win again...

On the other hand, we have this lead from an article in the New York
Times for 16 October
(http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/16/in...st/16ARMS.html):
"American officials in Baghdad have identified at least 30 businesses
and individuals in the United States that investigators said they
suspect sold tens of millions of dollars in military technology to
Iraq before the war...." Imagine that: American firms selling arms to
Saddam Hussein.

I'd suggest that before doing any more France-bashing, you read that
article.

I'd suggest you do the same. Typical quote:

"Officials said they believed that the two San Diego businessmen, both
of Iraqi descent, delivered and helped to assemble three 85-foot-long
patrol boats, armed with machine guns, as part of an $11 million
contract with Mr. Hussein's military."

"But the American authorities said the Yakous were aware that their
dealings with Mr. Hussein's government violated American laws. Indeed,
officials said the two men told investigators in an interview two
months ago that the embargo forced them to route their supplies through
Jordan, slowing production."

There's also quite a bit of difference between companies that sell arms
to Iraq *in spite of* the US government, and people who sell arms to
Iraq with the *support* of the French government...

Or, like Chirac, sell them nuclear power plants that are basically
designed to make material for bombs (thank goodness the Israelis took
that one out).

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 03:33:58 GMT, Chad Irby wrote:

Well, maybe not in some of them, but many did mention the actual
contents of the report itself, which *does* hold quite a lot of damning
evidence.

There's evidence of French weapons in Iraq in Kay's report? Hell,
there's not even evidence of WMD in there... despite the desperate
straining in what was suppposed to be a bought-'n-paid-for validation
of George IIs policies. It's been really pathetic watching this go on
over the last few months, from the hoopla when Kay was gonna come in
and save the administration's collective ass to this sorry little
squib that resulted.

I'd suggest that before doing any more France-bashing, you read that
article.

I'd suggest you do the same. Typical quote:

"Officials said they believed that the two San Diego businessmen, both
of Iraqi descent, delivered and helped to assemble three 85-foot-long
patrol boats,

Sorry, but I did. _Thirty_ companies, remember? The article goes into
some detail on one of them... or did you think they were all owned by
those two guys in San Diego?

Or, like Chirac, sell them nuclear power plants that are basically
designed to make material for bombs (thank goodness the Israelis took
that one out).

Oh, dearie me, but that was back when Iraq was an _ally_, remember?
And not merely of France, but also of the USA. Back _then_, even
American arms sales to Iraq -- all those helicopters, for example --
were approved by the administration of the time. And Donald Rumsfeld
was making kissy-face with Saddam himself: you do remember the
pictures? If you're making claims about French weapons in Iraq in
contravention of international embargoes, don't mix that up with
anybody's weapons in Iraq when Saddam was the Last Best Hope against
the Shi'a hordes.

Scott

Chad Irby wrote:
In article ,
Scott MacEachern wrote:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:35:27 GMT, Chad Irby
wrote:

So far, quite a lot.

It's a shame they aren't reporting it in
the European papers.

Nor, strangely enough, in the North American
papers.

Well, maybe not in some of them, but many did
mention the actual
contents of the report itself, which *does*
hold quite a lot of damning
evidence. But the quick and clueless headlines
win again...

On the other hand, we have this lead from
an article in the New York
Times for 16 October
(http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/16/in...st/16ARMS.html):
"American officials in Baghdad have identified
at least 30 businesses
and individuals in the United States that
investigators said they
suspect sold tens of millions of dollars in
military technology to
Iraq before the war...." Imagine that: American
firms selling arms to
Saddam Hussein.

I'd suggest that before doing any more France-bashing,
you read that
article.

I'd suggest you do the same. Typical quote:

"Officials said they believed that the two San
Diego businessmen, both
of Iraqi descent, delivered and helped to assemble
three 85-foot-long
patrol boats, armed with machine guns, as part
of an $11 million
contract with Mr. Hussein's military."

"But the American authorities said the Yakous
were aware that their
dealings with Mr. Hussein's government violated
American laws. Indeed,
officials said the two men told investigators
in an interview two
months ago that the embargo forced them to route
their supplies through
Jordan, slowing production."

There's also quite a bit of difference between
companies that sell arms
to Iraq *in spite of* the US government, and
people who sell arms to
Iraq with the *support* of the French government...

Or, like Chirac, sell them nuclear power plants
that are basically
designed to make material for bombs (thank goodness
the Israelis took
that one out).

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be
hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.
Good thing the Israelis did execute Operation BABYLON in 1981.
There was only one purpose for the Osirak reactor: bomb making. As far as
our French friends selling Iraq stuff up until the war, what the hell were
you guys thinking? The atropine, NBC suits, and other CW gear captured during
the push to Baghdad tells a lot: the Iraqis had WMDs and wanted to protect
their own troops-they knew that the US and Brits had no chem/bio weapons,
so why give their own troops the NBC gear? Explain that.
And add the Russians in as well: where did the Iraqis get AT-15 ATGMs to
disable several M-1s,hmm?
Seems both the French and the Russians have things to hide in covering for
their friend Saddam Insane. And once all the captured documents are examined
and released, seems Paris, Moscow, Berlin, and Beijing are going to be embarassed.
No wonder they didn't want Saddam taken down.

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Wings Of Fury Aviation Photography wrote :

Why not bash them? They and the Germans apparently have a lot to
hide in Iraq.......

Oh yes we have ! Like the 20 years old french missile which were
supposed to be built in 2003.

Anyway how is the new dictator of Azerbaijan ? The previous one is in
a US hospital no ? Off course it has nothing to do with the huge azeri
petroleum fields.