IFR in uncontroller airspace

Robert M. Gary wrote:


So you've never taken off IFR from an airport that didn't have class D
(or E) to the surface???


Or landed.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message m...
: Robert M. Gary wrote:
:
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: So you've never taken off IFR from an airport that didn't have class D
: (or E) to the surface???
:
:
: Or landed.
:

Yes, but I had a clearance. Granted the clearance was to be at a fix by a specific time when taking off, and the airport
had an approach with weather above minimums.

I need to see more examples...

On Apr 16, 4:32 pm, "Blueskies" wrote:
"Ron Natalie" wrote in ting.com...

: Robert M. Gary wrote:
:
:
: So you've never taken off IFR from an airport that didn't have class D
: (or E) to the surface???
:
:
: Or landed.
:

Yes, but I had a clearance.

You definitely did not have a clearance for the class G portion of
your flight.

On Apr 16, 4:32 pm, "Blueskies" wrote:

I need to see more examples...

Then look up (just off the top of my head) Eureka, NV (05U) on
skyvector. Suppose you want to get from there to, well, anywhere under
IFR. You have no choice but enroute IFR in class G. The entire country
was once like Eureka, NV.

On Apr 16, 4:32 pm, "Blueskies" wrote:
"Ron Natalie" wrote in ting.com...

: Robert M. Gary wrote:
:
:
: So you've never taken off IFR from an airport that didn't have class D
: (or E) to the surface???
:
:
: Or landed.
:

Yes, but I had a clearance. Granted the clearance was to be at a fix by a specific time when taking off, and the airport
had an approach with weather above minimums.

ATC can't issue an IFR clearance for airspace that they don't control
(class G). There would be no point.

-Robert

So even though you're flying an appropriate altitude for the course
flown, theres no guarantee that when climbing/descending you won't hit
someone else doing the same?

On Apr 16, 9:33 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
On Apr 16, 4:32 pm, "Blueskies" wrote:

"Ron Natalie" wrote in ting.com...

: Robert M. Gary wrote:
:
:
: So you've never taken off IFR from an airport that didn't have class D
: (or E) to the surface???
:
:
: Or landed.
:

Yes, but I had a clearance. Granted the clearance was to be at a fix by a specific time when taking off, and the airport
had an approach with weather above minimums.

ATC can't issue an IFR clearance for airspace that they don't control
(class G). There would be no point.

-Robert

kevmor wrote:
So even though you're flying an appropriate altitude for the course
flown, theres no guarantee that when climbing/descending you won't hit
someone else doing the same?

Yep, big sky.

There actually has been an FAA enforcment action that says that
climb/descend in uncontrolled airspace without a clearance for
obtained for the part in controlled airspace is reckless and
dangerous. Essentially they figure that while ATC is not
excercising control in the uncontrolled area, the idea that the
"one at a time" rule in the transition area would protect you.