that Mooney in DC ADIZ

From the Aero-News email letter this morning:

Shortly after 1100
Monday morning, a lone Mooney M20E allegedly strayed into the
Washington ADIZ, causing a pretty extensive security alert --
including the launching of two F-16s and a bit of excitement at the
White House... even though the President was away.


NORAD's MSgt Gary Carpenter spoke to ANN a few moments ago and
reported that two F-16s were dispatched from Andrews AFB to
intercept the Mooney. The intercept proceeded well, and the pilot
complied with the instructions given to him and was escorted from
the airspace. "The aircraft was not a threat, and once out of the
airspace, he was allowed to continue south."


Upon leaving the airspace, the aircraft originally bound for
Jacksonville, FL, was allowed to continue to a fuel stop in SC and
was shadowed by a Customs aircraft for part (if not all) of the
route. White House officials note that both President Bush and
First Lady Laura Bush were NOT at the White House at the time, but
that Vice President Cheney was. As a result of this incursion, Vice
President Dick Cheney and White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card
were moved temporarily to a secure location until the situation was
judged to be non-threatening.


FAA Sources had limited
information when we talked to them, but all concerned seemed to
understand that this appeared to be an accidental violation of the
ADIZ. According to the FAA's Bill Shumann, both the ADIZ and a
Restricted Area were violated.


The massive and intricate Washington ADIZ, often a source of
concern to both Private and Commercial pilots, is under increasing
fire for being increasingly hard to navigate as well as the fact
that the tolerances involved in getting around certain areas of the
ADIZ leave little room for error... especially when the weather is
less than decent VFR.


The pilot is expected to be interviewed and interrogated about
the incident in SC, if not in JAX. Possible enforcement actions may
be taken by the FAA against his certificate, depending on the
circumstances involved. More info to follow...
FMI: www.faa.gov, www.whitehouse.gov


For the WHOLE story, go to
http://www.aero-news.net/news/genav....19b3&Dynamic=1

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put CUB in subject line)

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

The pilot is expected to be interviewed and interrogated about
the incident in SC, if not in JAX. Possible enforcement actions may
be taken by the FAA against his certificate, depending on the
circumstances involved. More info to follow...
FMI: www.faa.gov, www.whitehouse.gov


In this case would filling out a NASA form do this pilot any good?

(Greg) wrote in message . com...
The pilot is expected to be interviewed and interrogated about
the incident in SC, if not in JAX. Possible enforcement actions may
be taken by the FAA against his certificate, depending on the
circumstances involved. More info to follow...
FMI: www.faa.gov, www.whitehouse.gov


In this case would filling out a NASA form do this pilot any good?

Nah, in the case of the ADIZ you'd have to file the NASA form with
your flight plan.

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AVflash Volume 9, Issue 46b November 13, 2003
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DON'T GO THERE
The pilot who plodded along in a Mooney M20 above the Potomac River on
Monday morning flew within eight miles of the White House, and managed
to intrude not only into the Air Defense Identification Zone, but also
its inner ring, the Flight Restricted Zone, which extends in a radius
of 15 nm from the Washington Monument. In some cases of piloting
errors, filing a reporting form within the Aviation Safety Reporting
System can sometimes offer some level of "immunity" -- against
sanctions, not against prosecution. FAA, spokesman William Shumann
told AVweb, "In those cases where a penalty was imposed even though an
ASRS report was filed, it might be because the pilot didn't check
NOTAMs or otherwise comply with FAR 91.103, which requires a pilot to
'become familiar with all available information concerning that
flight.'" As for satisfying those requirements, "If one wants to be
legalistic, the Automated Flight Service Stations are the only
'official' source of information, and DUAT is the only 'authorized'
source outside of AFSS," but Shumann said that applies only to Part
121 and 135 -- not Part 91 operators.
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#186076

....IN THE AFTERMATH OF ANOTHER INCURSION
Could Monday's incursion of White House airspace by a Mooney pilot
actually be a blessing in disguise? It may turn out that way if it
highlights what's becoming an increasing frustration for the FAA --
and GA pilots. Since Feb. 10, when the ADIZ was put in place in
Washington, it has been violated more than 600 times. "Frankly, we're
a bit frustrated that pilots are still violating it, and we don't know
why," the FAA's William Shumann told AVweb yesterday. "It's on the
charts, it's on our Web site." Pilots who violate the ADIZ (so far
none have been discovered to be full-fledged evil-doers, or even to
harbor any ill-intent) generally get a 30- to 90-day suspension of
their certificate, Shumann said, but each case is handled
individually. The range of possibilities does include revocation.
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#186077



On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:25:34 -0500, Cub Driver
wrote in Message-Id:
:


From the Aero-News email letter this morning:

Shortly after 1100
Monday morning, a lone Mooney M20E allegedly strayed into the
Washington ADIZ, causing a pretty extensive security alert --
including the launching of two F-16s and a bit of excitement at the
White House... even though the President was away.


NORAD's MSgt Gary Carpenter spoke to ANN a few moments ago and
reported that two F-16s were dispatched from Andrews AFB to
intercept the Mooney. The intercept proceeded well, and the pilot
complied with the instructions given to him and was escorted from
the airspace. "The aircraft was not a threat, and once out of the
airspace, he was allowed to continue south."


Upon leaving the airspace, the aircraft originally bound for
Jacksonville, FL, was allowed to continue to a fuel stop in SC and
was shadowed by a Customs aircraft for part (if not all) of the
route. White House officials note that both President Bush and
First Lady Laura Bush were NOT at the White House at the time, but
that Vice President Cheney was. As a result of this incursion, Vice
President Dick Cheney and White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card
were moved temporarily to a secure location until the situation was
judged to be non-threatening.


FAA Sources had limited
information when we talked to them, but all concerned seemed to
understand that this appeared to be an accidental violation of the
ADIZ. According to the FAA's Bill Shumann, both the ADIZ and a
Restricted Area were violated.


The massive and intricate Washington ADIZ, often a source of
concern to both Private and Commercial pilots, is under increasing
fire for being increasingly hard to navigate as well as the fact
that the tolerances involved in getting around certain areas of the
ADIZ leave little room for error... especially when the weather is
less than decent VFR.


The pilot is expected to be interviewed and interrogated about
the incident in SC, if not in JAX. Possible enforcement actions may
be taken by the FAA against his certificate, depending on the
circumstances involved. More info to follow...
FMI: www.faa.gov, www.whitehouse.gov


For the WHOLE story, go to
http://www.aero-news.net/news/genav....19b3&Dynamic=1

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put CUB in subject line)

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com