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  #21  
Old September 2nd 04, 07:09 PM
Paul Remde
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Hi Chip,

Thanks for the kind words. I do my best to be helpful. I'm sure from time
to time customers will reach me when I'm tired or swamped with work and come
to the conclusion (from my tone) that I don't care or I don't have time for
them. I suppose that is true for all of us. If nothing else, I do mean
well.... Notes like yours below help keep me motivated and happy.
Thanks!!!!

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

"Chip Bearden" wrote in message
om...
Henryk is correct that the first iteration of the table only included the
software I sell and support. But you are correct that I've since added
all
the other software packages.

Thanks,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com


This table is a great service and I hope pilots who consult it will,
as Paul hopes, consider buying from him.

I upgraded my flight software this summer from Paul and was impressed
with his response to my post-sale questions/suggestions. After-sales
support is often more erratic than pre-sales hand holding. That was
not my experience with Paul, however.

I was also very grateful when, after my flight recorder failed during
a major contest, he generated a new password so I could use my PDA
with my loaner flight recorder...when I called him from the grid
during his lunch hour! Thanks, again, Paul, for the prompt response.

Chip Bearden



  #22  
Old September 2nd 04, 07:16 PM
Paul Remde
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Hi Richard,

I've seen the list. It is impressive to be sure. The tough part in my
opinion it to create a comparison table that doesn't list 1000 "standard"
features that all the programs offer. I'm trying to avoid "information
overload". I am also trying to avoid listing items that are minor items or
items that don't easily compare with other products. Anything that is a
major advantage will be highlighted of course. I'm trying extremely hard to
avoid playing favorites so I appreciate any feedback you can offer.

I'll try to pull useful data and a few additional comparison points from the
WinPilot features list.

Can you help me fill in the compatibility chart? I can't find that much
detail on the WinPilot pages.

Thanks,

Paul Remde

"RHP" wrote in message
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Please see http://www.craggyaero.com/WinPilot%20Freature.htm for an
almost complete list of WinPilot Features. Sorry but the list has
about 100 items and is growing every day.

Richard Pfiffner
www.craggyaero.com





"Paul Remde" wrote in message
news:%kSYc.262569$eM2.821@attbi_s51...
Hi,

I'm taking on the tough task of creating a comparison table for soaring
flight software. Of course I can't mention every single features found
in
every product, so I'm trying to hit the unique features found in each
product.

You can view the very preliminary table he
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/software-ppc.htm

The table also shows levels of compatibility with several flight
recorders.

Both parts of the table are in need of review. I have done my best first
shot but I'm sure I've missed some key features and may have some of the
compatibility data wrong.

Please review the table and e-mail suggestions or corrections to me.

I sincerely want the table to be a useful resource for glider pilots.

Thank you,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com



  #23  
Old September 2nd 04, 08:08 PM
Matthew Hoover
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I was looking through your features list and have a couple of answers
that may be helpful.

The tasman t1000 has support for an additional vario so I presume this
is where they are retreiving the altitude info. Just a guess though.
I am not sure what a ReCo is.

The program will parse pressure altitude information from Volkslogger,
C302 Garmin, Colibri Reco and Tasman. At least there is a dropdown
list in one of the setup pages for altitude selection. I do know it
works with a Volkslogger as this is what I use.

It will also read information from several flight computers. I am
unsure of their level of support as I have not used any of them. I am
guessing that the promram retrieves information such as bugs setting
MC setting and bugs potential. Only a guess though. The computers in
the dropdown list are B50, C302, Colibri, EW, ReCo, B50/Colibri combo,
Ique and Tasman.

Additionally with a C302 it can be used to transfer waypoints,
glider/polar information, pilot information and transfer flights from
the logger to removeable memory card. It also has support for task
declaration for firmware version 2.63 in the 302.

There is also support for a terrain database. It can with this
information tell elevation AGL. Although there was discussion about
FGA over terrain, I am uncertain if this has been implemented or not
and if there are plans to do it in the future.

Although it will not display a top down view of an IGC file or
playback a flight, it will show a profile view of the baro over
terrain.

Hopes this helps a little.

SEE YA!!!

Matthew Hoover


"Paul Remde" wrote in message news:RYoZc.14863$_g7.8912@attbi_s52...
Hi Janos,

That is exactly the type of feedback I was looking for. I have added
Soaring Pilot to the comparison table.

However, the list of supported devices is not useful because the table gets
into specifics as to what features are supported with each device.

How can it support a Tasman? Tasman varios don't connect to external
devices.

What is a ReCo?

Thanks,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

"Janos Bauer" wrote in message
...
What about soaringpilot?

Price: free
Reachable airports are highlighted on the moving map: yes
Final Glide Around Multiple Waypoints: yes
Calculates wind speed and direction while circling: yes
Wind speed and direction at several altitudes: not yet
Large Fonts (5 is best, 1 is worst): ~4
Differential Final Glide: yes
Turnpoint Area Task Support: ?
Special Use Airspace displayed on moving map: yes
Topographical Maps roads, lakes, etc.: no, but if needed could be added as
SUA
US Sectional Aeronautical Charts: no
In-flight optimization of OLC flights: no
FAI 28% Rule Turnpoint areas displayed in flight: no
Thermal Histogram: no
Tracks statistics for multiple tasks at once: no
Climb Maximizer: no

Supported Flight computers, loggers:

B50, C302, Colibri, EW, ReCo, B50&Colibri, IQue, Tasman

Some more features not mentioned in the table: thermal average, distance
done on task, avg speed, estimated time of arrival, elapsed time, speed to
flt, MC calc. etc-etc
Some screenshots can be found on my page:
http://bauerj.fw.hu/soarpilot
Regards,

/Janos

  #24  
Old September 3rd 04, 12:01 AM
David
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I use Henryk's software exclusively and
in my opinion the feature Henryk mentions
can definitely be called a "Climb Maximizer".

One very quick glance per turn, very effective in
assisting in finding and staying in the core
of the thermal.

David


Henryk Birecki wrote in message . ..
"Paul Remde" wrote:

Certainly no table is going to be perfect, but I'm doing my best.


I agree on that wholeheartedly.

Thank for your feedback.



Does GPS_LOG really have a "Climb Maximizer" similar to WinPilot and Themi
that directs you to the center of the thermal? Cool!


Well, I do not know what the other software does (never used it), but
GPS_LOG WinCE does go into a mode where it shows you where you should
circle to be in lift. It is a highly enlarged view of track where lift
is color coded and width of line indicates "more than" running average
or "less than" average. It is very effective (even on black and white
screen) for me, but then... I am biased . Ask GPS_LOG WinCE users.

Henryk

  #25  
Old September 3rd 04, 04:56 AM
Bob Korves
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I think Henryk is talking about RICO (Redwood Instrument Company)who made
varios in the San Francisco bay area some years ago. The company was owned
and operated by Pete and Eunice Newgard (EP). AFAIK they now only make
medical equipment, in the Seattle area. I'll bet it's more profitable,
too...
-Bob

"Matthew Hoover" wrote in message
m...
I was looking through your features list and have a couple of answers
that may be helpful.

The tasman t1000 has support for an additional vario so I presume this
is where they are retreiving the altitude info. Just a guess though.
I am not sure what a ReCo is.

The program will parse pressure altitude information from Volkslogger,
C302 Garmin, Colibri Reco and Tasman. At least there is a dropdown
list in one of the setup pages for altitude selection. I do know it
works with a Volkslogger as this is what I use.

It will also read information from several flight computers. I am
unsure of their level of support as I have not used any of them. I am
guessing that the promram retrieves information such as bugs setting
MC setting and bugs potential. Only a guess though. The computers in
the dropdown list are B50, C302, Colibri, EW, ReCo, B50/Colibri combo,
Ique and Tasman.

Additionally with a C302 it can be used to transfer waypoints,
glider/polar information, pilot information and transfer flights from
the logger to removeable memory card. It also has support for task
declaration for firmware version 2.63 in the 302.

There is also support for a terrain database. It can with this
information tell elevation AGL. Although there was discussion about
FGA over terrain, I am uncertain if this has been implemented or not
and if there are plans to do it in the future.

Although it will not display a top down view of an IGC file or
playback a flight, it will show a profile view of the baro over
terrain.

Hopes this helps a little.

SEE YA!!!

Matthew Hoover


"Paul Remde" wrote in message

news:RYoZc.14863$_g7.8912@attbi_s52...
Hi Janos,

That is exactly the type of feedback I was looking for. I have added
Soaring Pilot to the comparison table.

However, the list of supported devices is not useful because the table

gets
into specifics as to what features are supported with each device.

How can it support a Tasman? Tasman varios don't connect to external
devices.

What is a ReCo?

Thanks,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

"Janos Bauer" wrote in message
...
What about soaringpilot?

Price: free
Reachable airports are highlighted on the moving map: yes
Final Glide Around Multiple Waypoints: yes
Calculates wind speed and direction while circling: yes
Wind speed and direction at several altitudes: not yet
Large Fonts (5 is best, 1 is worst): ~4
Differential Final Glide: yes
Turnpoint Area Task Support: ?
Special Use Airspace displayed on moving map: yes
Topographical Maps roads, lakes, etc.: no, but if needed could be

added as
SUA
US Sectional Aeronautical Charts: no
In-flight optimization of OLC flights: no
FAI 28% Rule Turnpoint areas displayed in flight: no
Thermal Histogram: no
Tracks statistics for multiple tasks at once: no
Climb Maximizer: no

Supported Flight computers, loggers:

B50, C302, Colibri, EW, ReCo, B50&Colibri, IQue, Tasman

Some more features not mentioned in the table: thermal average,

distance
done on task, avg speed, estimated time of arrival, elapsed time,

speed to
flt, MC calc. etc-etc
Some screenshots can be found on my page:
http://bauerj.fw.hu/soarpilot
Regards,

/Janos



  #26  
Old September 3rd 04, 07:16 AM
fw.unt
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Hi

There is also a free software under http://www.xcsoar.com/. They
haven't much done in the last month, but if it works on you IPAQ (eg
my 3660) it is worth to see. Fast and easy to setup; uses normal
database from the internet. There is no manual and maybe next year
they want some money for it.

Cheers FW.
 




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