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Australia tries to rewrite history of Vietnam War
Aerophotos wrote in message news:
... hey evan Yes? if you think our adf is so pathetic in vietnam care to explain why we only lost 500 over 10yrs from a 50,000 total force and you yanks lost 56,000 in 10yrs from a force of 585,000? You must recalculate. The Yank force deployed to SEA totalled almost three million, not 585,000. normal RAR units might of had different kills ratios I'm afraid their kill ratios sucked harder than Anna Nicole Smith in a room full of billionaires. In 1995 the Vietnamese government in Hanoi admitted that over one million Communist troops had died during the war. Your essentially do-nothing Australian infantry units claimed less than 1,500 enemy killed before they pulled out of Vietnam. Nice of Australia to pitch in, but their contribution in destroying the enemy was insignificant against that massive total. shows we aussies had the most successful tactics. By the admission of your own General Vincent, Australian infantry tactics left a lot to be desired. The SAS was too small but more successful since they copied the airmobility tactics used by US recon teams and the SAS also liked to use the same kit as our American LRRPs. US recon teams learned about jungle reconnaissance and tracking from the local Nungs and Montagnards, not from the Australian SAS or the AATTV which was mainly useful in helping us train the natives in using modern weapons. The most valuable information was learned from the natives and this was added to Recondo training. I would gladly trade an entire patrol of SAS men for one experienced Chinese Nung tracker. He lived in the jungle all his life, and did not need "stupid white man from Australia" to tell him how to move through the bush. we came from jungle school and malaya and had a force well trained, the us army had no idea how to fight a tropical war Your jungle warfare tactics and pacification programs in Malaya were ineffectual and irrelevant. The British-led security force outnumbered the Malayan Communist guerrillas by 100 : 1 or more. At the peak of US deployment in Vietnam, the Allies outnumbered the North Vietnamese forces and Communist guerrillas by only 5 : 1. A 100 : 1 advantage in manpower does not = jungle warfare expertise or effective pacification techniques. Here's another difference: The Commie guerrillas in Malaya were trained and supplied by the British SOE, from 1942-45. The Malayan guerrillas had no government, no air force and no navy, unlike North Vietnam. All the British had to do is stop giving supplies to the enemy and yet the Malayan Communist Party did not sign a peace treaty with Kuala Lumpur until 1989, long after Australia bugged out of Malaya. Only the Limeys and Anzacs would declare victory after evacuating another British colony. wait for the next war and see how quick the US preso asks for our help again. We deployed our British and Australian hirelings because no one else was willing. And because Moe always brings Larry and Curly when he goes on a road trip. Another factor is that you speak English. Several countries have better forces than Australia and Great Britain, but the language barrier makes it difficult to communicate efficiently. Having a handful of interpreters does not help much and neither does using hand puppets and drawing funny pictures. we aussies can do and always will **** over you yanks Sounds like that kid in elementary school who bragged about being the fastest in his class. Then, during the race, right after everyone yells "GO!" he trips and cracks his head open on the asphalt. Pathetic. |
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"Evan Brennan" wrote in message m... Aerophotos wrote in message news: ... Evan, Do yourself a favour and ignore this fool. I suspect he a schizophrenia suffer or something similar. Only last month he was claiming he was off to join the RAAF and work in a job description that doesn't exist in our air force. CD |
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Andrew Chaplin wrote in message ...
Kevin Brooks wrote: (Evan Brennan) wrote in message om... snip various rants We deployed our British and Australian hirelings because no one else was willing. And because Moe always brings Larry and Curly when he goes on a road trip. I had thought Evan to be just rabidly anti-British, but now he has not only extended that irrational thought process to include the Aussies, but apparently also our own forces (Moe?!). It is probably appropriate that he engages in this kind of discourse with the likes of Aerophotos/JGG--kind of "worst meets the worst" from both sides. Too bad they can't take their respective prejudices into a private chatroom of some sort and (hopefully) knock both of themselves out... The posts he writes are factitious -- a lot of what he writes is true, but strung together so present his targets in the poorest light. He is a cynic and ready to impute the least charitable motives to anyone about whom he writes. It seems unlikely he has ever read a historiography text, since he always seems to miss the basic bit about putting yourself in the place of those of whom you write in order to understand why they acted the way they did. You are probably mostly correct, though he also has demonstrated a marked ability to ignore reality when it suits him (i.e., his past violently argued contention that SFOD-Delta was *not* based upon the SAS when it was formed--which claim he made just before the publication of the newest Delta-founding member's book (Haney, IIRC), who like every other Delta guy who has written on the subject quite openly admitted to the SAS influence). As to putting himself in their place-- I find it a bit odd that he continually berates British, Aussie, etc., military personnel, and has never apparently even worn a uniform himself. Brooks |
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"Andrew Chaplin" wrote in message The posts he writes are factitious -- a lot of what he writes is true, but strung together so present his targets in the poorest light. He is a cynic etc, snipped. He is a liar who uses selective quotes, misquotes and lies to promote a strange agenda. As far as I can tell he lives for humiliation and visits newsgroups to get his quota therof. |
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