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RR F.T.B. Mustang?
Anyone have a photo of the wooden mock-up for the British RR F.T.B.
Mustang? This was a mid-engine contra-prop attack aircraft with a RR Griffon engine planned for '44/'45. Rob |
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"robert arndt" wrote in message
om... Anyone have a photo of the wooden mock-up for the British RR F.T.B. Mustang? This was a mid-engine contra-prop attack aircraft with a RR Griffon engine planned for '44/'45. Rob Showing my ignorance here - are you referring to the Martin Baker MB 5 ??? Cheers Dave Kearton |
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In article , Dave Kearton
writes "robert arndt" wrote in message . com... Anyone have a photo of the wooden mock-up for the British RR F.T.B. Mustang? This was a mid-engine contra-prop attack aircraft with a RR Griffon engine planned for '44/'45. Rob Showing my ignorance here - are you referring to the Martin Baker MB 5 ??? Cheers Dave Kearton There was a RR proposal for a Merlin mid-engined Mustang, and there is a poor photo of it in William Green's mini books. Don't thing it was to use a contra-prop. Cheers, Dave -- Dave Eadsforth |
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"Dave Kearton" wrote in message .. .
"robert arndt" wrote in message om... Anyone have a photo of the wooden mock-up for the British RR F.T.B. Mustang? This was a mid-engine contra-prop attack aircraft with a RR Griffon engine planned for '44/'45. Rob Showing my ignorance here - are you referring to the Martin Baker MB 5 ??? Cheers Dave Kearton No, I'm looking for the real wooden mock-up of this aircraft: http://www.geocities.com/uni1ua/bigph/mustang.htm Rob |
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robert arndt wrote:
No, I'm looking for the real wooden mock-up of this aircraft: http://www.geocities.com/uni1ua/bigph/mustang.htm I gather it never made it past the concept stage. It looks as if its power train would have been interesting, to say the least. -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) |
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Andrew Chaplin wrote: robert arndt wrote: No, I'm looking for the real wooden mock-up of this aircraft: http://www.geocities.com/uni1ua/bigph/mustang.htm I gather it never made it past the concept stage. It looks as if its power train would have been interesting, to say the least. Looks a bit like the Fisher XP-72. Which is not exactly a compliment, mind. |
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In article , Andrew Chaplin
writes robert arndt wrote: No, I'm looking for the real wooden mock-up of this aircraft: http://www.geocities.com/uni1ua/bigph/mustang.htm I gather it never made it past the concept stage. It looks as if its power train would have been interesting, to say the least. -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) The power train would be variously more/less interesting depending on whether the propeller pitch mechanism was electric or hydraulic (e.g. the de Havilland Hydromatic prop). With hydraulic, the drive shaft would have to have been hollow to take oil at engine pressure to the prop. One of the advantages of mid-engine appears to have been better options for CoG. The Sabre engine was so heavy that the Typhoon had its rear engine bearers located on the front wing spar, which gave a very stubby nose and consequent poor streamlining. The concept was given a fictional treatment in David Bruce's 'Prototype' (see amazon.co.uk) where a Sabre-engined prototype fighter of 1942 uses that configuration. Cheers, Dave -- Dave Eadsforth |
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Dave Eadsforth wrote in message ...
In article , Andrew Chaplin writes robert arndt wrote: No, I'm looking for the real wooden mock-up of this aircraft: http://www.geocities.com/uni1ua/bigph/mustang.htm I gather it never made it past the concept stage. It looks as if its power train would have been interesting, to say the least. -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) The power train would be variously more/less interesting depending on whether the propeller pitch mechanism was electric or hydraulic (e.g. the de Havilland Hydromatic prop). With hydraulic, the drive shaft would have to have been hollow to take oil at engine pressure to the prop. One of the advantages of mid-engine appears to have been better options for CoG. The Sabre engine was so heavy that the Typhoon had its rear engine bearers located on the front wing spar, which gave a very stubby nose and consequent poor streamlining. The concept was given a fictional treatment in David Bruce's 'Prototype' (see amazon.co.uk) where a Sabre-engined prototype fighter of 1942 uses that configuration. Cheers, Dave Thanks for the info Dave. I'll buy the book... but still want to see a photo of the F.T.B. Mustang mock-up. For those interested in David Bruce's "Prototype" (a Wren Type VI fighter): http://www.author.co.uk/prototype.html Rob |
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The concept was given a fictional treatment in David Bruce's 'Prototype' (see amazon.co.uk) where a Sabre-engined prototype fighter of 1942 uses that configuration. Cheers, Dave In "Prototype" the ficticious aircraft was a Wren Type VI fighter. While searching for a layout of this aircraft I came across a real British Wren- the 1923 English Electric motor-glider: http://www.shuttleworth.org/collection/wren.htm I wonder if the author knew about this? Rob |
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On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 05:05:45 +0000, Dave Eadsforth wrote:
In article , Andrew Chaplin writes robert arndt wrote: No, I'm looking for the real wooden mock-up of this aircraft: http://www.geocities.com/uni1ua/bigph/mustang.htm I gather it never made it past the concept stage. It looks as if its power train would have been interesting, to say the least. -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) The power train would be variously more/less interesting depending on whether the propeller pitch mechanism was electric or hydraulic (e.g. the de Havilland Hydromatic prop). With hydraulic, the drive shaft would have to have been hollow to take oil at engine pressure to the prop. One of the advantages of mid-engine appears to have been better options for CoG. The Sabre engine was so heavy that the Typhoon had its rear engine bearers located on the front wing spar, which gave a very stubby nose and consequent poor streamlining. The concept was given a fictional treatment in David Bruce's 'Prototype' (see amazon.co.uk) where a Sabre-engined prototype fighter of 1942 uses that configuration. Cheers, Dave The US built P-39 Airacobra and P-63 Kingcobra were mid engined and were operational through most of the war. Al Minyard |
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