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On 17 May 2005 07:02:02 -0700, "Sport Pilot"
wrote: Ron Natalie wrote: The maximum Takeoff Gross Weight limit for a C-150 is a legal limit, not a physical limit. The physical limit isn't much higher. And you run out of payload SPACE probably before you hit that... You'll run out of ability to maintain level flight long before you get to the structural limits. On a cool day a long runway and some patience the physical limit is much higher. Don't know how much but I wouldn't be suprised if it could be double on a winter day. Add a 150 or even a 180HP engine and the physical limit is huge. Ahhh... actually no. With the larger engine the useful load is less in the case of a 150. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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Roger wrote: On 17 May 2005 07:02:02 -0700, "Sport Pilot" wrote: Ron Natalie wrote: The maximum Takeoff Gross Weight limit for a C-150 is a legal limit, not a physical limit. The physical limit isn't much higher. And you run out of payload SPACE probably before you hit that... You'll run out of ability to maintain level flight long before you get to the structural limits. On a cool day a long runway and some patience the physical limit is much higher. Don't know how much but I wouldn't be suprised if it could be double on a winter day. Add a 150 or even a 180HP engine and the physical limit is huge. Ahhh... actually no. With the larger engine the useful load is less in the case of a 150. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com You are talking about the legal limit! We were discussing the actual physical limit. The amount a terrorist could take up. He won't give a damn about what the book or law says, after all he won't be here to prosecute. |
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On 18 May 2005 06:04:00 -0700, "Sport Pilot"
wrote: Roger wrote: On 17 May 2005 07:02:02 -0700, "Sport Pilot" wrote: Ron Natalie wrote: The maximum Takeoff Gross Weight limit for a C-150 is a legal limit, not a physical limit. The physical limit isn't much higher. And you run out of payload SPACE probably before you hit that... You'll run out of ability to maintain level flight long before you get to the structural limits. On a cool day a long runway and some patience the physical limit is much higher. Don't know how much but I wouldn't be suprised if it could be double on a winter day. Add a 150 or even a 180HP engine and the physical limit is huge. Ahhh... actually no. With the larger engine the useful load is less in the case of a 150. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com You are talking about the legal limit! We were discussing the actual physical limit. The amount a terrorist could take up. He won't give a damn about what the book or law says, after all he won't be here to prosecute. The 150 is going to handle just so much weight. If more of it is taken up by the engine it is not going to be able to lift as much load be it legal or not. One of the reasons for the gross weight limit is the stall speed. I think you'll find it goes up in a hurry when the 150 is over weight. The Deb can handle one whale of a load, but I once had some guys fudge a bit on what they weighed and on a very hot day. If it happened to me now I'd just pull the throttle and taxi back, then leave with at least one less passenger. It'd make a good, "I learned about flying from that" story. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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Roger wrote: On 18 May 2005 06:04:00 -0700, "Sport Pilot" wrote: Roger wrote: On 17 May 2005 07:02:02 -0700, "Sport Pilot" wrote: Ron Natalie wrote: The maximum Takeoff Gross Weight limit for a C-150 is a legal limit, not a physical limit. The physical limit isn't much higher. And you run out of payload SPACE probably before you hit that... You'll run out of ability to maintain level flight long before you get to the structural limits. On a cool day a long runway and some patience the physical limit is much higher. Don't know how much but I wouldn't be suprised if it could be double on a winter day. Add a 150 or even a 180HP engine and the physical limit is huge. Ahhh... actually no. With the larger engine the useful load is less in the case of a 150. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com You are talking about the legal limit! We were discussing the actual physical limit. The amount a terrorist could take up. He won't give a damn about what the book or law says, after all he won't be here to prosecute. The 150 is going to handle just so much weight. If more of it is taken up by the engine it is not going to be able to lift as much load be it legal or not. One of the reasons for the gross weight limit is the stall speed. I think you'll find it goes up in a hurry when the 150 is over weight. The Deb can handle one whale of a load, but I once had some guys fudge a bit on what they weighed and on a very hot day. If it happened to me now I'd just pull the throttle and taxi back, then leave with at least one less passenger. It'd make a good, "I learned about flying from that" story. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com Why the hell would a terrorist give a flip about the stall speed? The extra 50 horse power makes the plane climb like a raped ape, lower stall speed or not. The only real reason to limit the gross weight is the structural limits in high turbulance. The regulations for sudden high vertical and horizontal acceleration and deceleration likely to only occur in a thunderstorm. A terrorist attack is not likely to occur in a T storm The C150 has a stall speed of 55 and lower with flaps. It can go up to 70 or so and still be operational, especially with a bunch of HP up front. The extra weight up front may even help the terrorist as he can put more weight in back and still have a useable CG. |
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George, this 75 yr old, strongly objects! You can't go on age alone. I
don't wear glasses yet, and can fly my 182 up and down the west coast from border to border legally, in and out of big and small airports. Landing/taking off from LAX to a rancher friends driveway ( gravel ). You sound like the French rental car guy in Nice who said I was too old to rent a car. That really ****ed me off but since I couldn't speak French, I couldn't express myself adequately. IF or when I do something stupid like the DC intrusion, I will give up my ticket without it being suspended. Carefull about broad statements, they might bite you in the end later, no pun! North West Mustang ps I did rent a car, I just went down the road aways to Italy where they were much nicer. |
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dick reinhardt wrote:
George, this 75 yr old, strongly objects! You can't go on age alone. I didn't say you could. I said that I was not surprised after I learned that the perpetrator was 70 years old. There are people out there who are 90 years old and still have all their marbles, but the odds of becoming one of them are pretty poor. George Patterson "Naked" means you ain't got no clothes on; "nekkid" means you ain't got no clothes on - and are up to somethin'. |
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"dick reinhardt" wrote in message ... You sound like the French rental car guy in Nice who said I was too old to rent a car. That really ****ed me off but since I couldn't speak French, I couldn't express myself adequately. IF or when I do something stupid like the DC intrusion, I will give up my ticket without it being suspended. Carefull about broad statements, they might bite you in the end later, no pun! North West Mustang ps I did rent a car, I just went down the road aways to Italy where they were much nicer. OK, no pun intended I'm sure, but you left Nice to go down the road to a place where people were nicer....sorry couldn't help it... ;-) |
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