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Sea Harrier FA2 - a modern-day F6D Missileer?
In sci.military.naval Brian Sharrock twisted the electrons to say:
The three 'Invincible class, Through-Deck-Cruiser, vessels that were inherited are to be replaced by _two_ something? ; although nobody is yet cutting metal, onto which will be embarked something else? Well to be honest there's really only two Invincibles left (Illustrious & Ark Royal), since it looks unlikely that Invincible herself will ever go to sea again ... Meanwhile the RN FAA's and the RAF's Harrier entities have been absorbed into 'Joint Force Harrier' and somewhere along the way the RN's Fighter/Strike aircraft have been .... ? .... but if they spent the money replacing the engines on the FA2s, then what would happen to the moreschoolsandhospitals? -- These opinions might not even be mine ... Let alone connected with my employer ... |
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Sea Harrier FA2 - a modern-day F6D Missileer?
Jacek wrote:
I guess there are never any "back-up" weapons - but only different weapons for various scenarios. Isn't that just a nicer way to put it? Anyway, BVR missiles are the primary weapon of any modern fighter aircraft, but as you put it, there are certain cases in which IR missiles are also useful. Mvh, Jon K |
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Sea Harrier FA2 - a modern-day F6D Missileer?
Brian Sharrock wrote:
I'm too _young_ to have direct experience of the RNAS cum RFC merger but combined with my direct experience of Healey's Defence White Paper, with its immortal phrase - the fleet will not fight out of range of land based aircraft-, I've got a horrible feeling of deja-vu! On the other hand, what would have been realistic budget alternatives, if taking money somewhere else is ruled out? At least the FAA has a hope of a better future to come... when JSF arrives, late... Mvh, Jon K |
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Sea Harrier FA2 - a modern-day F6D Missileer?
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Sea Harrier FA2 - a modern-day F6D Missileer?
"Alistair Gunn" wrote in message . .. In sci.military.naval Brian Sharrock twisted the electrons to say: The three 'Invincible class, Through-Deck-Cruiser, vessels that were inherited are to be replaced by _two_ something? ; although nobody is yet cutting metal, onto which will be embarked something else? Well to be honest there's really only two Invincibles left (Illustrious & Ark Royal), since it looks unlikely that Invincible herself will ever go to sea again ... Are you a Tonie Phonie? I wrote "_three_ ... inherited",; count 'em;- Invincible, Ark Royal, Illusttious - all vessels in the fleet in 1997. The sad fact that the vessels are not availlable currenntly is a product/artefact of the CND members that now occupy Downing Street. The sad decline of the CVS assets from three to two is not a justification for only having two 'replacements' ... ! You're not chanting 'Three Ships bad! Two ships better!" ; are you? {Neither is RY Brittania, the paying-off ceremony for which B-Liar didn't attend - He had another engagement in his diary - now, what was it? Oh, yes! He was _welcominig_ Gerry Adams and cohorts to Downing Street! ] Meanwhile the RN FAA's and the RAF's Harrier entities have been absorbed into 'Joint Force Harrier' and somewhere along the way the RN's Fighter/Strike aircraft have been .... ? ... but if they spent the money replacing the engines on the FA2s, then what would happen to the moreschoolsandhospitals? -- These opinions might not even be mine ... Let alone connected with my employer ... -- Brian |
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Sea Harrier FA2 - a modern-day F6D Missileer?
wrote in message oups.com... Brian Sharrock wrote: I'm too _young_ to have direct experience of the RNAS cum RFC merger but combined with my direct experience of Healey's Defence White Paper, with its immortal phrase - the fleet will not fight out of range of land based aircraft-, I've got a horrible feeling of deja-vu! On the other hand, what would have been realistic budget alternatives, if taking money somewhere else is ruled out? At least the FAA has a hope of a better future to come... when JSF arrives, late... The FAA only has a future if it AAA acquires aircraft (almost any aircraft) and BBB Pilots for said aircraft ... the 'papers report that FAA recruitment is 'cause for concern' -- Brian |
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Sea Harrier FA2 - a modern-day F6D Missileer?
In sci.military.naval Brian Sharrock twisted the electrons to say:
"Alistair Gunn" wrote in message Well to be honest there's really only two Invincibles left (Illustrious & Ark Royal), since it looks unlikely that Invincible herself will ever go to sea again ... Are you a Tonie Phonie? I dunno, what is a "Tonie Phonie"??? (A phoney Tony would presumably be someone pretending to be called Tony?) The sad decline of the CVS assets from three to two is not a justification for only having two 'replacements' ... ! You're not chanting 'Three Ships bad! Two ships better!" ; are you? No, because if I was going to say that I *would* have said that. My point was that the reduction to two ships has already happened. -- These opinions might not even be mine ... Let alone connected with my employer ... |
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Sea Harrier FA2 - a modern-day F6D Missileer?
jokoch wrote:
What's the maximum no. of AMRAAM FA2 can carry? It has 2 wing pylons, and if it uses 2 double rail pylons, that would be 8 on 2 wings. However, I've seen drawings with 2 AMRAAM on the fuselage. That makes 10 AMRAAM altogether!!! Wonder what other plane carry more AMRAAM than FA2 apart from superbug? The Sea Harrier FA.2 can't carry anything like 10 AMRAAM; the twin rail pylon is for Sidewinder only. My understanding is that the max missile load is more like 4 AMRAAM (2 on the fuselage in place of the gun pods and two on the outer wing stations) or 2 AMRAAM (on the fuselage) and 4 Sidewinder (twins on the outer wing stations). The inner wing stations are almost invariably loaded with fuel tanks. I've never heard of them hanging missiles there; those pylons may not even be wired for AMRAAM. Unfortunately, pictures of real Sea Harriers with live missile loads seem to be rare as hen teeth. -- Tom Schoene lid To email me, replace "invalid" with "net" |
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Sea Harrier FA2 - a modern-day F6D Missileer?
"Thomas Schoene" wrote ... jokoch wrote: What's the maximum no. of AMRAAM FA2 can carry? It has 2 wing pylons, and if it uses 2 double rail pylons, that would be 8 on 2 wings. However, I've seen drawings with 2 AMRAAM on the fuselage. That makes 10 AMRAAM altogether!!! Wonder what other plane carry more AMRAAM than FA2 apart from superbug? The Sea Harrier FA.2 can't carry anything like 10 AMRAAM; the twin rail pylon is for Sidewinder only. My understanding is that the max missile load is more like 4 AMRAAM (2 on the fuselage in place of the gun pods and two on the outer wing stations) or 2 AMRAAM (on the fuselage) and 4 Sidewinder (twins on the outer wing stations). The inner wing stations are almost invariably loaded with fuel tanks. I've never heard of them hanging missiles there; those pylons may not even be wired for AMRAAM. Unfortunately, pictures of real Sea Harriers with live missile loads seem to be rare as hen teeth. Rumor has it that aside from the blue, inert exercise "concrete" versions, the budget only stretched to a couple of dozen, held in a secret bunker somewhere in Yorkshire, plugged in like recharging cell phones, awaiting the summons to Armageddon... I suspect an actual weapons load of two per a/c is about all the acquisition budget will stretch to, but the big occasion is Mess Night, when the active pilots draw lots to select the lucky individual chosen to fire this fiscal year's single training round, one of the half dozen spares in inventory. TMO |
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Sea Harrier FA2 - a modern-day F6D Missileer?
"Alistair Gunn" wrote in message . .. In sci.military.naval Brian Sharrock twisted the electrons to say: "Alistair Gunn" wrote in message Well to be honest there's really only two Invincibles left (Illustrious & Ark Royal), since it looks unlikely that Invincible herself will ever go to sea again ... Are you a Tonie Phonie? I dunno, what is a "Tonie Phonie"??? (A phoney Tony would presumably be someone pretending to be called Tony?) A Tonie Phonie is someone who says one thing ' Trust me, I'm a straight kinda guy! ' while being as bent as a left-handed corkscrew! The sad decline of the CVS assets from three to two is not a justification for only having two 'replacements' ... ! You're not chanting 'Three Ships bad! Two ships better!" ; are you? No, because if I was going to say that I *would* have said that. My point was that the reduction to two ships has already happened. And to bedeplored ... not to be used as an excuse for announcing that only two will be ordered in replacement. YMMV -- Brian |
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