Pushback for small planes

In simulation, I note that I'm apparently expected to have my plane
pushed back from its parking place before I start the engines and
taxi, judging from the way the aircraft are parked (with very little
room to turn around on their own). Are real small aircraft tugged and
pushed back, or do you just start the engines and move out under your
own power?

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Mxsmaniac,

Where are you located. Has anyone taken you up in a real GA plane?

--Dan


Mxsmanic wrote:
In simulation, I note that I'm apparently expected to have my plane
pushed back from its parking place before I start the engines and
taxi, judging from the way the aircraft are parked (with very little
room to turn around on their own). Are real small aircraft tugged and
pushed back, or do you just start the engines and move out under your
own power?

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Dan writes:

Where are you located.

Paris, France.

Has anyone taken you up in a real GA plane?

No.

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Its considered bad for to "power" out of parking because it throws rock
on the plane next to you. Generally you pull the plane out before
starting the engine. Some people use tugs but most use a tow bar and
pull it. Its not very heavy unless you have to go up hill. Its about
like pulling an economy car by hand.

-Robert

Mxsmanic wrote:
In simulation, I note that I'm apparently expected to have my plane
pushed back from its parking place before I start the engines and
taxi, judging from the way the aircraft are parked (with very little
room to turn around on their own). Are real small aircraft tugged and
pushed back, or do you just start the engines and move out under your
own power?

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Recently, Mxsmanic posted:

In simulation, I note that I'm apparently expected to have my plane
pushed back from its parking place before I start the engines and
taxi, judging from the way the aircraft are parked (with very little
room to turn around on their own). Are real small aircraft tugged and
pushed back, or do you just start the engines and move out under your
own power?

It depends on what's around you. Moving a small plane is not a big deal,
and it's better to be safe than to ding something because of laziness. You
do have to use some common sense in these matters.

Neil

Neil Gould writes:

It depends on what's around you. Moving a small plane is not a big deal,
and it's better to be safe than to ding something because of laziness. You
do have to use some common sense in these matters.

I notice that my (simulated) Baron has negative pitch adjustment
available, below the feather position. Does this mean reverse thrust,
or what? I tried setting it to -25 on the ramp with the engines
running, and each time I tried it, the engine stalled a few seconds
later. Am I supposed to be able to go backwards in a Baron? Is this
setting for reverse thrust on landing, or what? Or does it even mean
reverse thrust?

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Recently, Mxsmanic posted:

Neil Gould writes:

It depends on what's around you. Moving a small plane is not a big
deal, and it's better to be safe than to ding something because of
laziness. You do have to use some common sense in these matters.

I notice that my (simulated) Baron has negative pitch adjustment
available, below the feather position. Does this mean reverse thrust,
or what? I tried setting it to -25 on the ramp with the engines
running, and each time I tried it, the engine stalled a few seconds
later. Am I supposed to be able to go backwards in a Baron? Is this
setting for reverse thrust on landing, or what? Or does it even mean
reverse thrust?

Could it be just another thing that MSFS gets wrong? Why not start a new
thread with this question so that you can get an answer from a Baron pilot
that you can then ignore and argue with?

Neil

Mxsmanic wrote:
Neil Gould writes:

It depends on what's around you. Moving a small plane is not a big deal,
and it's better to be safe than to ding something because of laziness. You
do have to use some common sense in these matters.

I notice that my (simulated) Baron has negative pitch adjustment
available, below the feather position. Does this mean reverse thrust,
or what? I tried setting it to -25 on the ramp with the engines
running, and each time I tried it, the engine stalled a few seconds
later. Am I supposed to be able to go backwards in a Baron? Is this
setting for reverse thrust on landing, or what? Or does it even mean
reverse thrust?

Sounds very odd since I've never seen a Baron that allowed you to
directly set the pitch of the prop. Maybe some strange MSFS thing.
-Robert, CFII

Robert M. Gary writes:

Sounds very odd since I've never seen a Baron that allowed you to
directly set the pitch of the prop. Maybe some strange MSFS thing.

There's a lever marked P on the throttle pedestal. It is present in
real aircraft also, and it has an effect on RPM. I suppose it
actually sets target RPM with automatic pitch adjustment, but what
does it do when you pull it back past the position that feathers the
props, and why does this stop the engine (at least in simulation)?

Since this sort of thing requires extra effort to simulate, I assume
it's not an artifact, and it must represent something in the real
aircraft.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
Robert M. Gary writes:

Sounds very odd since I've never seen a Baron that allowed you to
directly set the pitch of the prop. Maybe some strange MSFS thing.

There's a lever marked P on the throttle pedestal. It is present in
real aircraft also, and it has an effect on RPM. I suppose it
actually sets target RPM with automatic pitch adjustment, but what
does it do when you pull it back past the position that feathers the
props, and why does this stop the engine (at least in simulation)?

P=Prop RPM, not pitch of prop

I'm not sure what MSFS is trying to simulate. Usually when you pull the
prop lever back beyond feather the lever breaks off. The props are
stopping because they are feathered.

-Robert, CFII