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Mike Rapoport wrote:
If you are not prepared to fly in "nasty clouds" then you have no business filing, requesting or flying IFR. Depends on your definition of nasty. I consider t-storm, funnel clouds, and clouds with temps below freezing to be nasty and I won't fly into them, at least not intentionally. I hardly think that means I have no business flying IFR. Not sure what the OPs definition of nasty is, but that is mine. Matt |
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"Michael 182" wrote in message news:NeR2c.135424$Xp.582131@attbi_s54... Jeff: I fly into Phoenix all the time - I've never run into unfriendly controllers. Busy, yes; unfriendly, no. I have been vectored all over the place, but I assume that was for traffic or arrival/departure corridors or some logical reason. Phoenix has nine control towered airports under it's Class B airspace including Luke AFB and Williams-Gateway (formerly Williams AFB) which is the cargo hub for a 400 miles radius. PHX, during the winter months, is about the sixth busiest airport in the country. Damn right it's busy |
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"Jeff" wrote in message ... ya he was so busy he almost let someone fly into me. no matter how you dice it, that should not have happened. Phoenix does not get much IMC, its sunny about 350 days a year there. Those 15 cloudy days we have allocated each year must have been used up this past two weeks. Rained four days of the past week and a half and crappy overcast most of the rest of the time. Friday was 57, Saturday was 62, Sunday was 82 and we're supposed to hit 90 today. |
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"Mike Adams" wrote in message news:toT2c.13913$BA.3649@fed1read03... Jeff wrote: no matter how you dice it, that should not have happened. Phoenix does not get much IMC, its sunny about 350 days a year there. This is the key to the whole situation. PHX weather is so good, the Tracon folks just don't have to deal with it very often. Even makes the driver nuts....or more so than usual. |
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Jeff wrote: it wasn't a popup, I had it on file thru FSS. ABQ before the hand off asked me if I wanted it then or if I wanted it from phoenix, I told him I was ok at that time and that I would get it from phoenix for my decent into williams gateway. Boy thats a mistake I wont make again. You've answered your own question, sort of. On a composite flight plan the system is designed for you to go to the IFR portion with center or FSS. Approach control can take a pop-up easier than trying to activate a composite IFR flight plan. I think you're being way too hard on the controller in view of your attempt to push the system. Had you been on an en route IFR clearance with ABQ Center you would not have placed yourself into never-never land. |
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Jeff wrote: another main problem I had was him letting another plane get so close in IMC that he had to give me a traffic alert. what happened to this seperation I was suppose to be getting. You pushed him and he probably tried to fit you in, which resulted in the traffic aleart. Have you ever visited the TRACON, plugged in, and asked about the handoff procedures from center to approach control for IFR arrivals? |
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Jeff wrote: those people out at SoCal are very good in my opinion. I always pick up my clearance when going into the LA basin at the HEC VOR since that's where the ziggy3 arrival begins. If you do that at HEC you are not doing it directly with SoCal TRACON. I presume you are doing it with LA Center or FSS. |
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"Teacherjh" wrote in message ... On that frequency. Controllers often work many frequencies, and do things besides talk on the radio. When controllers are working many frequencies they typically broadcast on all of them simultaneously. You won't hear other aircraft, but you will hear the controller. |
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"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote in message ... It is not unusual for a controller to work more than one frequency. That fact that you didn't hear any other traffic, doesn't mean there wasn't other traffic. The fact that he didn't hear the controller transmit to other aircraft suggests there was no other traffic. |
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"Snowbird" wrote in message om... Jeff, with regard to "no one was talking except me". Be aware that a controller can be handling 2 or even 3 frequencies, and also depending upon how his airspace is set up he may need to be doing a lot of coordination by phone. So he might not be talking to anyone else on your freq, but he still could be busier than a 1 armed paper hanger. If he's got aircraft on other frequencies you'll hear his transmissions to those other aircraft on your frequency, you just won't hear the other aircraft. |
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