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GIVEN CURRENT WARS, F-35s ARE BETTER CHOICE THAN MORE F-22As
"Raymond O'Hara" wrote in
: [snip] its best to deal with real threats now than to worry about a hypothetical threat that will probably never materialize. Which ensures that the next who will come as a complete surprise technologically. Besides which, the Air Force is only lightly burdened by the present conflict as a small number of fast movers and heavies are quite capable dealing with what local resources can't. Not to mention that artillery and missile technology allows the guy in contact to choose which asshat he wants to whack on an individual basis. IBM |
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GIVEN CURRENT WARS, F-35s ARE BETTER CHOICE THAN MORE F-22As
"Raymond O'Hara" wrote in
: [snip] can you envision any scenario in which the U.S. and russia fight? are we going to invade them? i think we'd notice a huge naval build up for them to invade us? do you think they are going to overrun europe? Still in a state of denial from the last war I see. IBM |
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GIVEN CURRENT WARS, F-35s ARE BETTER CHOICE THAN MORE F-22As
"Ian B MacLure" wrote in message .. . "Raymond O'Hara" wrote in : [snip] can you envision any scenario in which the U.S. and russia fight? are we going to invade them? i think we'd notice a huge naval build up for them to invade us? do you think they are going to overrun europe? Still in a state of denial from the last war I see. IBM huh? do you mean WWII? or what? |
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GIVEN CURRENT WARS, F-35s ARE BETTER CHOICE THAN MORE F-22As
"Ian B MacLure" wrote in message .. . "Raymond O'Hara" wrote in : [snip] its best to deal with real threats now than to worry about a hypothetical threat that will probably never materialize. Which ensures that the next who will come as a complete surprise technologically. Besides which, the Air Force is only lightly burdened by the present conflict as a small number of fast movers and heavies are quite capable dealing with what local resources can't. Not to mention that artillery and missile technology allows the guy in contact to choose which asshat he wants to whack on an individual basis. IBM we are in two wars now{which we are losing} and you're worried about an imaginary war against an imaginary opponent. russia is not a credible threat. and it is decades away from being one. |
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GIVEN CURRENT WARS, F-35s ARE BETTER CHOICE THAN MORE F-22As
On Jun 10, 5:32*pm, Tiger wrote:
William Black wrote: * "Mike" wrote in message .... * Inside the Air Force * Next-gen bomber must be adequately funded * YOUNG: GIVEN CURRENT WARS, F-35s ARE BETTER CHOICE THAN MORE F-22As * * --------------------------------- * * Given current wars they'd be better off buying a load of Douglas A-1 * Skyraiders and a few WWII twin engined bombers. * * What they need is something very reliable that lugs a largish bombload * around and can absorb ground fire while dropping it in smallish quantities * with great precision. * * What they don't need right now is large complex jet fighter/bombers that are * designed to fight a major European war. * In other words."Why pay 2008 Corvette money to do a job your old 1988 F150 could do?" I'm sure there plenty of stuff in the boneyard that fits the bill. A-10's, A6's, A-4's, Phantoms, A-7's. Old stuff, but to drop bombs in zones with no Mig threats they work. I think the A-1 may be pushing the concept a bit, but I hear you..... Until the run into the a battery on the latest SAMs , ot a Nex-Gen Stealth fighter, which are design to handle the latest fighters. At which point they become so much flying scrap metal. And remember, the reason we have air conreol is because we have the best fighter to knock the other sides fighter out before the get to shoot at our troops. Frankly what I read in the story reminds me of the old warning about fighting the last war, and not planning for the next. |
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GIVEN CURRENT WARS, F-35s ARE BETTER CHOICE THAN MORE F-22As
Raymond O'Hara wrote:
"Ian B MacLure" wrote in message .. . "Raymond O'Hara" wrote in : we are in two wars now{which we are losing} and you're worried about an imaginary war against an imaginary opponent. russia is not a credible threat. and it is decades away from being one. Losing? Lose to whom? Current events don't seem be anywere close. As for Russia? They have in the last year expanded their military activity. They are flying Bears again, opposed our missile defence plans, and Nato expansions. Decades may be a bit much. |
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GIVEN CURRENT WARS, F-35s ARE BETTER CHOICE THAN MORE F-22As
"Tiger" wrote in message ... Raymond O'Hara wrote: "Ian B MacLure" wrote in message .. . "Raymond O'Hara" wrote in : we are in two wars now{which we are losing} and you're worried about an imaginary war against an imaginary opponent. russia is not a credible threat. and it is decades away from being one. Losing? Lose to whom? Current events don't seem be anywere close. As for Russia? They have in the last year expanded their military activity. They are flying Bears again, opposed our missile defence plans, and Nato expansions. Decades may be a bit much. we are not going to achieve whatever it is bush was after. and eventually we will leave. and ooo bears. propdriven bombers. yeah. i hear they are getting JSIIIs and T-34/85s out of mothballs too. scary tupolev bears, ouch, a scary threat. |
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GIVEN CURRENT WARS, F-35s ARE BETTER CHOICE THAN MORE F-22As
eyeball wrote:
On Jun 10, 4:20 pm, "William Black" wrote: What they don't need right now is large complex jet fighter/bombers that are designed to fight a major European war. Until the next war? Next war - to bomb Peking you either need a very long range (twice across the Pacific) or launch from a carrier. Tactical against insurgents does not need the range and stealth. Sea launch may be needed if there are no near by airports. Short take off using roads could be useful. Tactical and stategic bombing are going to need different planes. Andrew Swallow |
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GIVEN CURRENT WARS, F-35s ARE BETTER CHOICE THAN MORE F-22As
g lof2 wrote:
On Jun 10, 5:32 pm, Tiger wrote: William Black wrote: "Mike" wrote in message ... Inside the Air Force Next-gen bomber must be adequately funded YOUNG: GIVEN CURRENT WARS, F-35s ARE BETTER CHOICE THAN MORE F-22As --------------------------------- Given current wars they'd be better off buying a load of Douglas A-1 Skyraiders and a few WWII twin engined bombers. What they need is something very reliable that lugs a largish bombload around and can absorb ground fire while dropping it in smallish quantities with great precision. What they don't need right now is large complex jet fighter/bombers that are designed to fight a major European war. In other words."Why pay 2008 Corvette money to do a job your old 1988 F150 could do?" I'm sure there plenty of stuff in the boneyard that fits the bill. A-10's, A6's, A-4's, Phantoms, A-7's. Old stuff, but to drop bombs in zones with no Mig threats they work. I think the A-1 may be pushing the concept a bit, but I hear you..... Until the run into the a battery on the latest SAMs , ot a Nex-Gen Stealth fighter, which are design to handle the latest fighters. At which point they become so much flying scrap metal. And remember, the reason we have air conreol is because we have the best fighter to knock the other sides fighter out before the get to shoot at our troops. Frankly what I read in the story reminds me of the old warning about fighting the last war, and not planning for the next. The bad guys of late seem to prefer Ied's & rpg's to Radar guided SAm sites... Nor does most of the world have the $$$ for next gen Stealth fighters. Even our Allies can bearly put a decent force together. The topic point was spending money on a F22 air superiorty fighter. A job it does well but there is no air threat. That makes it useless when the current need for the airforce is to supply CAS. The F35 which will do, said mission is years away. If your planning for the next war, Nethier plane is really what you want. |
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GIVEN CURRENT WARS, F-35s ARE BETTER CHOICE THAN MORE F-22As
"Tiger" wrote in message
... William Black wrote: "Mike" wrote in message ... Inside the Air Force Next-gen bomber must be adequately funded YOUNG: GIVEN CURRENT WARS, F-35s ARE BETTER CHOICE THAN MORE F-22As --------------------------------- Given current wars they'd be better off buying a load of Douglas A-1 Skyraiders and a few WWII twin engined bombers. What they need is something very reliable that lugs a largish bombload around and can absorb ground fire while dropping it in smallish quantities with great precision. What they don't need right now is large complex jet fighter/bombers that are designed to fight a major European war. In other words."Why pay 2008 Corvette money to do a job your old 1988 F150 could do?" I'm sure there plenty of stuff in the boneyard that fits the bill. A-10's, A6's, A-4's, Phantoms, A-7's. Old stuff, but to drop bombs in zones with no Mig threats they work. I think the A-1 may be pushing the concept a bit, but I hear you..... I haven't gotten the impression that the A-10 is going away any time soon... AHS |
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