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On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 21:12:52 -0400, Matt Whiting wrote:
I'm still not sure that is a good moral position to aspire to, but at least it is better than most abortions which are simply murder for the sake of convenience. That isn't morally acceptable. Good. So it is not morally acceptable by you (and many others). But how comes you take the right to make this decision for so many others, too? You call them murderer and morally inacceptable (maybe without knowing the background). In many (all?) countries in Europe, abortion is allowed (no legal action is taken). So you put ALL those European women who abort in one basket and call them and their doctors murderers and morally inacceptable? #m -- A far-reaching proposal from the FBI (...) would require all broadband Internet providers, including cable modem and DSL companies, to rewire their networks to support easy wiretapping by police. http://news.com.com/2100-1028-5172948.html |
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 21:08:17 -0400, Matt Whiting wrote:
Abstinence is strongly supported by all pro-life groups that I'm aware of and it is the only 100% means to prevent Debbie from getting pregnant. yeah, they brought it on TV here in Europe. Groups where formed (mostlöy in the bible bealt area) with "we remain virgins until our marriage" and the like .... and they also brought the funding for supporting some weired ideas and not funding courses for teaching contraception methods. how sick. well; it is sick in our mindset. within the mindset of those people it was perfectly normal. #m -- A far-reaching proposal from the FBI (...) would require all broadband Internet providers, including cable modem and DSL companies, to rewire their networks to support easy wiretapping by police. http://news.com.com/2100-1028-5172948.html |
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Judah wrote: Let's see here... 14 hours per day x 7 days per week ================= 98 hours per week. That's pretty damned close... For the airplane it is. But, you said, and I quote, "The Airline pilot, who flies back and forth across the country twice a day, uses 100 hours of ATC time in about a week". |
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"Otis Winslow" wrote in message ... I would hardly call Libertarians very conservative. While the free market position could lead one to think that ... the general approach of us being able to do our own thing as long as we don't interfere with others exercising that same freedom is a long way away from the ultra conservative approach. They want to control our every action and make our moral judgements for us. Libertarians are as far to the right as it gets in America. The Libertarians I know .. like me .. believe in maximum liberty and minimum government to the extent that it's practical. The problem with the Republicrats is one wants to control our bank account and one wants to control our bedroom. With Libertarians .. at this point .. having little practical political power we're forced to choose between the extreme right or the extreme left. Libertarians are the extreme right. "Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ... "Otis Winslow" wrote in message .. . Go he http://www.libertarian.org/index2.html The Hoover Institute is the leading libertarian think tank in America and it is very conservative. In fact, outside the Hoover Institute libertarians have had little power in the US since FDR's Presidency began. Libertarians inside the Republican Party were responsible for the "balanced budget" we had a few years ago. "Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ... "C J Campbell" wrote in message ... So now you have 'conservatives' running around talking about property rights and states' rights Republicans have always supported States' rights, as that is the basis of a republic. (originally created to protect slavery) Democrats wanted the 3/5 law and Republicans were not willing to go to war over it and as long as libertarins could control the purse everyone was willing to leave things be for a while. and protecting large corporations while espousing populist principles. The libertarian wing (once Federalists) of the Republican Party insistthey address the issues of fiscal responsibility and a small central government, but libertarians are out of favor now due to their isolationist tendancies. And you have the 'liberals' running around trying to limit free speech and press, disarming the public, and supporting the worst thugs and despots imaginable in other countries in the name of 'diversity' and 'tolerance.' Racism has always been the Democrats' product. |
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 00:43:17 GMT, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
I am certain, however, that Jesus did slips with flaps. While programming in FORTH. On a Windows PC. To bring a bit of piloting back into this discussion, Jesus handled a plane well. I bet Jesus was more into boating. He walked over water. #m -- A far-reaching proposal from the FBI (...) would require all broadband Internet providers, including cable modem and DSL companies, to rewire their networks to support easy wiretapping by police. http://news.com.com/2100-1028-5172948.html |
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"C J Campbell" wrote:
By those who, like Dan Luke, want to portray Jefferson as godless in order to further their own political agenda of excluding religious views from the political forum. I certainly would never claim Jefferson was godless. Rather, my point was that he would not pass the test for religious correctness of the religious right, whose political agenda is to enlist government in proselytizing their views. -- Dan C172RG at BFM |
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Maybe we should also put down newborns with any physical, mental or genetic abnormalidies. this has been done by the nazis. Your making my point Martin. The world was outraged by the actions of Mengele and others in the German camps, but the number of innocent lives (of defenseless babies) taken each year in the US and Europe makes those atrocities pale by comparison. It is all called murder you moron. and back then it was legal. (not that I favour such action!) I am glad you haven't take a liking to killing.... see? it is only a matter of definition. sure, this is really extrem, but the point remains. No it isn't a matter of definition...its murder! |
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"Martin Hotze" wrote in message ... On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 00:43:17 GMT, Steven P. McNicoll wrote: I am certain, however, that Jesus did slips with flaps. While programming in FORTH. On a Windows PC. To bring a bit of piloting back into this discussion, Jesus handled a plane well. I bet Jesus was more into boating. He walked over water. No doubt he would have enjoyed water skiing. |
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"Pete" wrote in message .com... In article , "Joe Young" wrote: "SNIP" I am not only pro choice, I am pro-abortion, I believe there should be a licensing procedure to ensure prospective parents are up to the task, physically, emotionally and financially. Until they can prove that, they should be chemically sterilized. Should we also perform a mecry killing on all of our seniors when they get to the point the can no longer take care of themselves. I can't speak for other, but if *I* get to the point that I "need to be taken care of," you won't need to mercy-kill me, I'll do it myself. Maybe we should also put down newborns with any physical, mental or genetic abnormalidies. Surely they would be more inconvenient at having an healthly, but unwanted baby. We kill millions of the latter in this country each year...so given your logic, why don't we just expand the practice a bit. Then we can ultimately expand the practice a bit more to encompase stupidity...and your ticket will be up. No it's not. IMO, a fetus is not a person until it's breathing on its own. I always am amused by men who oppose abortion, as if they know jack **** about being pregnant. You may find this amusing but I do not... It has nothing to do with knowing "jack **** about being pregnant", it has everything to do with understanding biology, reproductive physiology...you know science... Are you suggestion that since I have never been pregnant I could not possibly have an opinion on this matter...does that also apply to those that are for abortion? By the way, if you'd like to punch my ticket, you're welcome to take your best shot. I don't think I suggested I would like to "punch your ticket". I simply pointed out the obvious that if stupidity were a criteria for murder, you might need to be careful. |
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