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Uvalde 1st contest day 8-11-04 #711 reporting
We launched, we flew, it was good. Late afternoon bases above 8,000 msl. Open
Class HW wins, DB 2ond, AS 3rd. 18 Meter, RW wins, F8 2ond, SF 3rd. Folks, I got to launch twice yesterday. The tow pilot was new, and he went straight up on me on takeoff, I started to dangle, and whew, I released as I was stalling. I had enought alitude to pull landing flap which helped me nose over and then barely got the nose up before a tera firma landing. I had the 27 at 1102 lbs. and even spoke with the tow pilot on the radio before accepting launch. He had a problem going slow with another just before me. Thats close, and all I will say is keep your thoughts together before you fly. A course of action, its a good idea and I had preped myself for it.We had 9 relights in the 18 meter. We had several landouts yesterday including P7, DJ, FS ,5A and several others. In the back of the second turn it got dark and it gulped you down. Pilots meeting in a few minutes. The point spread in the 18 meter for the top 25 or so is close as most flew under min time of 3 hrs, and most went 200 to 205. Thermal tight, Soar high, Fly safe. # 711 thanks God hes still here. |
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There's nothing worse than to be topped off with water and saying "another
15 kts please" over and over with each iteration rising an octave as you say it. Tom did the right thing...except now he needs to take the tow pilot behind the woodshed for a "readjustment of his towing procedures!" Tim Mc PS: the above is only in jest lest someone think I'm a violent person :-) "Andy Durbin" wrote in message om... (TomnKeyLargo) wrote in message ... The tow pilot was new, and he went straight up on me on takeoff, I started to dangle, and whew, I released as I was stalling. I had enought alitude to pull landing flap which helped me nose over and then barely got the nose up before a tera firma landing. I had the 27 at 1102 lbs. and even spoke with the tow pilot on the radio before accepting launch. One has to wonder who signs off some of these tow pilots. Glad you survived the experience. Andy (GY) |
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Beware the new tow pilot who has never towed a ballasted glider. No matter
how many times you tell them before the launch about the need for more speed, they usually never give enough. Hard to break old habits! J4 |
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I see this as one of the areas that contests could improve upon. Most chief
tow pilot's think that their job is just a title that was given to the most senior of the towpilot's. Not true. The other problem here is, towpilot's that fly in right before launch time, and get in line without ever getting a briefing. I flew in to one last week, but I shut down as the launch was started already, and talked to the CD and ops manager about where the drop zone is and what the procedures are.They know me, as I have towed there before, but it is still the safest way to proceed. After that, I climbed in my ship and towed. having been a ground ops manger many times, I hate to see a guy show up, hook up, and go wallowing out at 55 knots with a glider full of water. When are we going to wake up, after we have stalled someone into the ground because of poor communication. WAKE UP guys, we don't need this. I know 711 very well, he is a very good pilot, and a safety conscious one. He released, but not all would. To all chief tow pilot's.....please communicate and give orders, better to sound bossy than complacent!!! BG "Herbert Kilian" wrote in message om... (Andy Durbin) wrote in message . com... (TomnKeyLargo) wrote in message ... The tow pilot was new, and he went straight up on me on takeoff, I started to dangle, and whew, I released as I was stalling. I had enought alitude to pull landing flap which helped me nose over and then barely got the nose up before a tera firma landing. I had the 27 at 1102 lbs. and even spoke with the tow pilot on the radio before accepting launch. One has to wonder who signs off some of these tow pilots. Glad you survived the experience. Andy (GY) The answer is, of course, nobody signs them off! Consider yourself lucky if the chief tow pilot talks to them for 5 minutes before they pick you up. I had a similar experience as Tommy's in Cordele a couple years back. A crappy looking high-wing something pulled up ahead of me and I thought well, this could be interesting. Glad I remembered his call-sign because he rotated at 50 knots with my '24 still rolling at 9lb wingloading. I yelled at him to speed up and kept telling him that all down the long Cordele runway. I never indicated more than 59 knots when he pulled me just over the trees at the end of the runway. He then turned and proceeded to tow me downwind without gaining much. I released at 1,500' something like 15 minutes later with me still shaking. I should have pulled the release when I still had time just like Tommy did. As a result of this drama the towpilot was relegated to only tow Sports Class, btw... Herb, J7 |
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(Andy Durbin) wrote in message . com...
(Herbert Kilian) wrote in message The answer is, of course, nobody signs them off! I have trained more than one tow pilot and I was careful to brief them on the differences in towing light and heavy gliders. My training included reduced power takeoffs to simulate the slow acceleration and climbout with a ballasted ship. I then gave them the FAA required tow pilot endorsement. Someone signed off this pilot or he was not legal to tow. Do contest organizers have an obligation to check tow pilot credentials and experience? Andy Sorry, Andy, I was being facetious in my statement. I have trained and signed off new towpilots and I know how seriously many (most) chief tow pilots take their responsibility in contests. If things get hectic and tow-ships go kaput right before or during the launch there is a tendency to compromise, however. I do maintain that pilots sometimes are asked to tow that have no training and thus no business in doing so (here in the US at least). As we have heard, that's a recipe for disaster, especially when the glider is ballasted. We were at a contest in Littlefield TX about 10 years back when Ron Clarke had to release his LS6 due to low tow speeds and heavily damaged it flying through the airport fence. It could have been worse... Herb, J7 |
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In the USA,
Sec. 91.309 - Towing: Gliders. (a) No person may operate a civil aircraft towing a glider unless -- (5) The pilots of the towing aircraft and the glider have agreed upon a general course of action, including takeoff and release signals, airspeeds, and emergency procedures for each pilot. One would hope a tuggie, properly trained or not, would at least follow the regulation... Herbert Kilian wrote: (Andy Durbin) wrote in message . com... (Herbert Kilian) wrote in message The answer is, of course, nobody signs them off! I have trained more than one tow pilot and I was careful to brief them on the differences in towing light and heavy gliders. My training included reduced power takeoffs to simulate the slow acceleration and climbout with a ballasted ship. I then gave them the FAA required tow pilot endorsement. Someone signed off this pilot or he was not legal to tow. Do contest organizers have an obligation to check tow pilot credentials and experience? Sorry, Andy, I was being facetious in my statement. I have trained and signed off new towpilots and I know how seriously many (most) chief tow pilots take their responsibility in contests. If things get hectic and tow-ships go kaput right before or during the launch there is a tendency to compromise, however. I do maintain that pilots sometimes are asked to tow that have no training and thus no business in doing so (here in the US at least). As we have heard, that's a recipe for disaster, especially when the glider is ballasted. We were at a contest in Littlefield TX about 10 years back when Ron Clarke had to release his LS6 due to low tow speeds and heavily damaged it flying through the airport fence. It could have been worse... Herb, J7 -- ------------+ Mark Boyd Avenal, California, USA |
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