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Sorta sucks for the loss.....
sympathies (sp) to everyone involved. Bad for everyone. Best wishes to everyone...... |
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Very sad indeed. Also sad are the ever present followup comments that are always made about how experienced and how safe so and so pilot was, how they were always the most concientious fliers etc. Bottom line is someone always screws the pooch. All it takes is a moments inattention and tragedy awaits.
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On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 4:45:49 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Very sad indeed. Also sad are the ever present followup comments that are always made about how experienced and how safe so and so pilot was, how they were always the most concientious fliers etc. Bottom line is someone always screws the pooch. All it takes is a moments inattention and tragedy awaits. This is troubling, towplane and glider collide, not good. I fly both ends of the rope, there is never a single second that I always know where the released glider is. This is a high wing towplane, makes for better visibility after release than the Pawnee that we use. Even on pattern tows I go like hell to make sure I beat the glider to base and land well ahead of the glider. A few seconds can make a lot of difference in separation. |
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My condolences to the family and friends.
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On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 4:34:57 PM UTC-5, Bob Youngblood wrote:
This is troubling, towplane and glider collide, not good. I fly both ends of the rope, there is never a single second that I always know where the released glider is. This is a high wing towplane, makes for better visibility after release than the Pawnee that we use. Even on pattern tows I go like hell to make sure I beat the glider to base and land well ahead of the glider. A few seconds can make a lot of difference in separation. C-182 better vis than a Pawnee? No way. Pawnee has better vis than ANY high wing towplane (I have towed in C-172s, Super Cubs, and Pawnees), especially in turns. But the real solution (as discussed later in the thread) is PowerFLARM in both gliders and towplanes. Kirk |
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On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 1:25:18 PM UTC-4, kirk.stant wrote:
On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 4:34:57 PM UTC-5, Bob Youngblood wrote: This is troubling, towplane and glider collide, not good. I fly both ends of the rope, there is never a single second that I always know where the released glider is. This is a high wing towplane, makes for better visibility after release than the Pawnee that we use. Even on pattern tows I go like hell to make sure I beat the glider to base and land well ahead of the glider. A few seconds can make a lot of difference in separation. C-182 better vis than a Pawnee? No way. Pawnee has better vis than ANY high wing towplane (I have towed in C-172s, Super Cubs, and Pawnees), especially in turns. But the real solution (as discussed later in the thread) is PowerFLARM in both gliders and towplanes. Kirk Interesting, your Pawnee must have better visibility below than the three that I have owned. |
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Bob:
I also fly both ends of the rope and while rare events, such accidents can happen and have happened before. There was a non fatal tow plane/glider collision 11 years ago in Nevada that is filed at NTSB LAX08LA254A. Both aircraft landed. Still, this was an unspeakably sad event for the families and all involved. They have my best wishes. ROY |
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There was one at Williams too more recently. In the landing pattern. Will be interesting to learn more about the details in this incident.
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The other fatal mid air with tow plane happened in Crazy Creek 10 years ago, not Williams.
Mid air with tow planes are rare but happen and usually tragic with multiple fatalities. There was another bad fatal mid air between a glider and power plane in Canada few years ago. Overall, mid airs are not so rare and the combination of powerflarm and ADS-B significantly reduces the overall risk. I fly with both and wouldn’t want to fly in a glider without it. I am shaking my head in disbelief whenever I see a glider without powerflarm in the Great Basin risking all of us who use powerflarm. My comments are not specific for this accident. I have no details about this accident and if powerflarm/ADS-B would have made a difference, especially if they collided due to getting out of position. My condolences to all impacted, which is the whole gliding community to some extent. It is especially tragic when a passenger/student get killed (18 years old this time!), and this happen too often in the last couple of years.. Ramy |
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