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Nothing good about Ethanol
Conflict with aircraft fuel systems and Ethanol are many:
http://www.pmawwacs.org/downloads/go...ce_ethanol.pdf California formulation is only about 5.7 percent Ethanol, so that Cherokee 235 may get away with it for awhile, especially if it flies to other airports and refuels with avgas cutting the percentage even more. The bottom line is that at the moment producing Ethanol from corn wastes more energy than it makes according to experts. The EPA has ruled California no longer has to use it. But will be some time before stocks no longer contain it. That's what I read anyway. |
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The heat of combution of ethanol is about one third of gasoline, also.
An ADM Corporation scam? |
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"180pilot" wrote: The bottom line is that at the moment producing Ethanol from corn wastes more energy than it makes according to experts. I ain't got a dog in this fight, but any time I read a sentence like that, my bs meter starts to twitch. What experts? Employed by whom? What are their qualifications? What peer-reviewed studies did they publish? -- Dan C172RG at BFM |
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On 31-May-2006, "Dan Luke" wrote: The bottom line is that at the moment producing Ethanol from corn wastes more energy than it makes according to experts. I ain't got a dog in this fight, but any time I read a sentence like that, my bs meter starts to twitch. What experts? Employed by whom? What are their qualifications? What peer-reviewed studies did they publish? Excellent questions. I note that "experts" also dispute the danger of global warning, and other "experts" claim that species evolution is a myth. Yet other "experts" (hired by the tobacco industry, but of course that's just a coincidence) were unable to find any linkage between smoking and lung cancer. At one point many "experts" could prove that powered flight was impossible. Truth is, if you want to use the Internet as a source of information, a finely tuned BS meter is an absolute necessity! -Elliott Drucker |
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"Roger" wrote: Even mainstream science will have pro and con. Although there has been a shift to accepting first global warming and the accepting mankind's contribution as being significant there is still a strong camp that say it aint so. Cite for the latter, please? -- Dan "Hell hath no fury like a noncombatant." -Mitchell Coffey |
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On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:34:49 -0500, "Dan Luke"
wrote: "Roger" wrote: Even mainstream science will have pro and con. Although there has been a shift to accepting first global warming and the accepting mankind's contribution as being significant there is still a strong camp that say it aint so. Cite for the latter, please? I'll have to hunt for it, but there is a group of scientists that have formed a group. There is a web site with a listing of their outstanding members. Now as to how many of them are "real scientists"? I don't know. However when even our current leader aknowledges it and our contribution, it must be serious. :-)) Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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On 2-Jun-2006, Roger wrote: Even mainstream science will have pro and con. Although there has been a shift to accepting first global warming and the accepting mankind's contribution as being significant there is still a strong camp that say it aint so. Hogwash! -Elliott Drucker |
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Nothing good about Ethanol
Even mainstream science will have pro and con. Although there has been a shift to accepting first global warming and the accepting mankind's contribution as being significant there is still a strong camp that say it aint so. Hogwash! http://www.physorg.com/news11710.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...ixnewstop.html http://talk.ocregister.com/showthrea...&mode=threaded http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...04_red_jr.html The debate still rages. Because there is so much money to be made in this and every endeavor, it's hard to be sure what is correct. It's more a matter of choose a belief and then find the evidence. |
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Nothing good about Ethanol
Just 20+ years ago Newsweek was running stories about the impending Ice Age
which was upon us. The worry was Global Cooling. The "scientists" read the same archival data and came to the conclusion that the Earth was cooling at an alarming rate. Where I sit was once a jungle. It also was once covered by thousands of feet of ice. Isn't it just a bit presumptuous for us to think, "Ok, *I'm* here now, so all you little natural processes can just stop." Why should we expect that the temperatures today are the same as yesterday? "It's a right!." "I'll sue!" "We'll see what the ACLU has to say about this!" What about the measurements that show the sun is hotter the past few years than it was before? The OP's comment about money is right on. There's plenty of money out there for those who read the tea leaves to see "global warming," with extra bonus points if my SUV is responsible. There is nothing for someone who argues that there is no warming, or that other natural processes are responsible. The discourse has been so poluted by ideology and money that I think the science is almost worthless. wrote in message news:Y0ugg.2384$9f2.1277@trnddc04... On 2-Jun-2006, Roger wrote: Even mainstream science will have pro and con. Although there has been a shift to accepting first global warming and the accepting mankind's contribution as being significant there is still a strong camp that say it aint so. Hogwash! -Elliott Drucker |
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