"bush flying" in the suburbs?

On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 17:25:30 GMT, zatatime wrote:

In NJ you can't land anywhere except and approved landing facility,
which puts the kabosh on your plan for this state.

And no water landings, right?

Damian Delgaizo at Andover Flight Academy was planning to put floats
on his Husky (amphibious, presumably). As I understood it, he would
have to do the actual training across the state line in PA!


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On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:04:44 -0900, "PJ Hunt"
wrote:

So you CAN go alone or take your friends, as long as you don't charge them
or receive a reward, and land in all the fields you want without prior
permission from the 'commission. Of course you would want to approve it
with the land owner first.

There are indeed private fields in NJ. Of course they may pre-date the
ordinance quoted.

I landed at several such when I took Damian Delgaizo's bush-flying
course.

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I flew up to Valemount in the back of a Piper Cub (J-4 or J-5, can't
rememer which).

If it had a back, it must have been the J-5.

Lyman

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:35:58 -0500, Cub Driver
wrote:

On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 17:25:30 GMT, zatatime wrote:

In NJ you can't land anywhere except and approved landing facility,
which puts the kabosh on your plan for this state.

And no water landings, right?

Damian Delgaizo at Andover Flight Academy was planning to put floats
on his Husky (amphibious, presumably). As I understood it, he would
have to do the actual training across the state line in PA!


This is correct. Damian was going to do this after someone else with
a Lake Amphib left the area. She had to use lakes in PA only as she
could not land on any open water other than designated seaplane bases
like the one on the Hudson.

HTH.
z

(Does Damian use any places to land other than approved landing
facilities for his other program? He'd know enough farmers out there
that he would if he could, and it might shed some light on the
original statement above.)

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:37:48 -0500, Cub Driver
wrote:

There are indeed private fields in NJ. Of course they may pre-date the
ordinance quoted.

Private airfields / strips, or just regular farm fields?

z

Cub Driver wrote:

And no water landings, right?

There used to be a private seaplane base on the Raritan river just below New
Brunswick. The guy who owned the property kept a Cessna with amphibs there. He
operated from the river during the summer.

A few years ago, he was talking about selling the property. Someone at Kupper
(probably John Price) was telling me that the license to operate aircraft there
would expire unless he sold it to another seaplane owner.

Even if that's gone, there are seaplane bases on the Raritan Bay at Atlantic
Highlands, on the Navasink river above Rumson, on the inland waterway near
Lakewood, at Toms River, and at Manahawkin. Though a few of those are miles
inland, all of them are on tidal waters, and may be beyond the control of the
State. There're also bases on Greenwood lake and the Delaware, but both of those
are on State borders - I can't tell for sure if they're in NJ.

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 22:19:42 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote:

Rich asked for a definition of "approved". That's what Gig provided. The section
he quoted does prohibit commercial operations, but no claim has been made that
that's the entire law in New Jersey. Perhaps "zatatime" can provide a reference
to the statute that prohibits other operations?

I can't provide a statute, but around 20 years ago while flying the
"slot" I emergency landed my T-Craft on a Hudson River pier (in
Weehawken, on the Jersey side). The emergency landing was OK as far
as both the FAA and state were concerned, but I got in all sorts of
trouble when I flew it out again the next day after the problem was
solved. In the end the feds admittited I hadn't violated any FAR's
and the state aviation people (who actually were very reasonable about
it) decided not to charge me as long as I promised to never land there
again.

-Dana


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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:54:08 GMT, zatatime wrote:

There are indeed private fields in NJ. Of course they may pre-date the
ordinance quoted.

Private airfields / strips, or just regular farm fields?

Is there a difference?

All I know is that I landed on runways that weren't public-use
airfields. They weren't pastures, if that's what you mean. One of them
had a hangar and a windsock and a mowed strip; I believe that that was
a public-use airfield in the process of going private. The others were
more basic, but all were mowed and clearly visible as runways from the
air, and were used regularly by their owners and their friends.

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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:29:44 -0500, Dana M. Hague
d(dash)m(dash)hague(at)comcast(dot)net wrote:

I can't provide a statute, but around 20 years ago while flying the
"slot" I emergency landed my T-Craft on a Hudson River pier (in
Weehawken, on the Jersey side). The emergency landing was OK as far
as both the FAA and state were concerned, but I got in all sorts of
trouble when I flew it out again the next day

There's a closed army air field not far from Boston. Friend of a
friend landed there when he had engine trouble. He was required to
dissasemble the aircraft and truck it out of there; wasn't permitted
to take off.

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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:51:17 GMT, zatatime wrote:

(Does Damian use any places to land other than approved landing
facilities for his other program? He'd know enough farmers out there
that he would if he could, and it might shed some light on the
original statement above.)

As posted, we landed on private land. It's possible that these private
runways were approved by some authority or other.

One such could have been a farmer's field. The others were regularly
used by their owners as runways, including a strip on a fairly steep
hill.

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