Once again-Threshold, The Blue Angels Experience

Ed- Viper, we should recognize as
F-16 (in Navy livery in Top Gun) BRBR

Please, not just the guys seeking publicity at TopPutz. VF-126, VF-43 and VF-45
owned the majority of the F-16N. Top Pooch had 8, the rest of us had 6, the
only Squadron not having a two seater was VF-126.

Get really tired when I talk about being in an adversary squadrion and the most
common question is 'ohhh, you were in TopGun"...yikes NOT TOP GOON....
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

In article , Pechs1
wrote:

DBurch- (BUT
COMBAT? The Buckeye is a Navy TRAINER, isn't it?), but what types of pahane
are/were the "Turkey", "Viper" and "Scooter"? BRBR

'Combat Buckeye', since we flew them in VF-126, a joke. Turkey is the F-14, a
bigger turkey there never was, the Viper the USN version of the F-16 Falcon.
'N' model, made for the adversary squadrons and Topgun. The baby of Duke
Cunningham when he was CO. Scooter was the A-4, also known by us as the
loveable 'Dog', Had E, F, F+ and M models.


P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

In VT-10 the T-2 was the All Weather Radial Interceptor!
Pusg

The T-2 guys weren't around when I tried to set the F-16 cockpit on fire a
day or two later, though.

A story we'd like you to share with us if you could.

--
Mike Kanze

"Sit by the homely girl, you'll look better by comparison."

- Debra Maffett, Miss America 1983


"Mary Shafer" wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:46:29 -0600, "Jake Donovan"
wrote:

Ed.

You are right on and if you want to get even more accurate, the Greek AF
used (still may) the T-2 as an attack platform.

We used TPS T-2s for Spin and once in awhile to let off some steam, ACM
platforms.

The USN TPS T-2s, with instructor pilots and crews, make the trek out
to the USAF TPS twice a year to teach the spin syllabus there, too. I
think that the USAF TPS used to use the A-37s for the spin syllabus
before the USN TPS started coming out, but I'm not sure; I know we,
Dryden, spun the T-37, mostly for .practice.

When I was down at TPS running around on the ramp for my flight in the
VISTA F-16, the T-2s were there for this spin training and, in an
amazing coincidence, one of the instructors was one of the few pilots
I knew at Pax, Ricardo. We had a nice visit and I got to look inside
the T-2 after we couldn't start the VISTA FCS because its battery was
dead. The T-2 guys weren't around when I tried to set the F-16
cockpit on fire a day or two later, though.

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

I wonder how a Tweet would do in "combat" with a Buckeye? Anyone ever see
these two go mano a mano?

Advantage Buckeye - it at least has a hook it can use for close quarter combat.

v/r
Gordon
PS, I am aware of the combat records of A-37s, but I mean the trainers

Happy New Year Mary!

I was in and out of Edwards so fast that I never got time to give you a
ring.

I almost misread your comment bout A37's. I am either getting lazy eye or
just old. I thought it said T-37s. Yikes!

Did you run into Gallager at TPS? He use to get a real hard time from
students when they found out who his bother was.

Warmest Regards!
Jake

"Mary Shafer" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:46:29 -0600, "Jake Donovan"
wrote:

Ed.

You are right on and if you want to get even more accurate, the Greek AF
used (still may) the T-2 as an attack platform.

We used TPS T-2s for Spin and once in awhile to let off some steam, ACM
platforms.

The USN TPS T-2s, with instructor pilots and crews, make the trek out
to the USAF TPS twice a year to teach the spin syllabus there, too. I
think that the USAF TPS used to use the A-37s for the spin syllabus
before the USN TPS started coming out, but I'm not sure; I know we,
Dryden, spun the T-37, mostly for .practice.

When I was down at TPS running around on the ramp for my flight in the
VISTA F-16, the T-2s were there for this spin training and, in an
amazing coincidence, one of the instructors was one of the few pilots
I knew at Pax, Ricardo. We had a nice visit and I got to look inside
the T-2 after we couldn't start the VISTA FCS because its battery was
dead. The T-2 guys weren't around when I tried to set the F-16
cockpit on fire a day or two later, though.

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

Pechs,

A lot of the AF pukes call their F-16 Vipers. Mostly the ANG and Reserve.

The F-16N was a hoot. No weight. I had the honor of delivering one of them
to the Blackbirds in Key West. I don't think any of the of N's were not
bent and broken. :-)

As for the T-2, I still enjoy it. Roomy and student forgiving. With them
all being retired, I would love to get a hold of one for the airshow
circuit. (Tried with several friends to get a TA4J that had civil registry
but was beat to the punch. We never did find out who bought it. Boeing
supposedly have several of them in civilian registry.)

What I would really like to know what happened to Lockmarts MB339 (Their
JPATS entry) Word was a few years back that Paty Wagstaff was trying to put
together a deal to buy it but it fell though. Lockmart sold it and all
their spares. It was civil registered as experimental with no moratorium
restrictions.

Happy New Years

Jake


"Pechs1" wrote in message
...
DBurch- (BUT
COMBAT? The Buckeye is a Navy TRAINER, isn't it?), but what types of
pahane
are/were the "Turkey", "Viper" and "Scooter"? BRBR

'Combat Buckeye', since we flew them in VF-126, a joke. Turkey is the
F-14, a
bigger turkey there never was, the Viper the USN version of the F-16
Falcon.
'N' model, made for the adversary squadrons and Topgun. The baby of Duke
Cunningham when he was CO. Scooter was the A-4, also known by us as the
loveable 'Dog', Had E, F, F+ and M models.


P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye
Phlyer

"In VT-10 the T-2 was the All Weather Radial Interceptor!
Pusg"

Still is but with VT-86

Jake

"Jake Donovan" wrote in message
news:yTmLb.70384$hf1.41645@lakeread06...
Ed.

You are right on and if you want to get even more accurate, the Greek AF
used (still may) the T-2 as an attack platform.

We used TPS T-2s for Spin and once in awhile to let off some steam, ACM
platforms.

Jake


Ah yes, the old T2 3 axis coupled entry!! God, that was fun.
TPS was a great bunch with Tex Birdwell, Paul Nafziger, Tom Flannery, and
Admiral Brown down there. We stole the bull off the roof at the Belvedere
across from the main gate one night after a bit of "attitude adjustment".
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
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'Combat Buckeye', since we flew them in VF-126, a joke.

AKA the "Trusty Tubbyjet." We're retiring them as Intermediate Strike
trainers this summer. Last class is pretty much through instruments ...
Fam, Form, Guns, and FCLP to go. We're running a TPS class now to get their
NATOPS qual before checking in up at Pax River. Interesting group with
several foreign cross-training guys. I had a Dutch F-16 driver for his
first cockpit intro EP hop. Great OCF airplane, but I suspect they're
limiting the number of three-axis departures per hop to stretch the service
life. A far cry from my VF-126 hop when Farkle and I did 3 lomcevak's for
dessert ... the last with a healthy negative G spike.

We tried out the T-2 in ACM. Pushed the A-4 all around the sky. T-2 versus
T-37 would be no sweat. Two J-85's versus two J-69's ... a far better
energy package. Now the A-37 ...

R / John

In article ,
nt (Krztalizer) writes:
I wonder how a Tweet would do in "combat" with a Buckeye? Anyone ever see
these two go mano a mano?

Advantage Buckeye - it at least has a hook it can use for close quarter combat.

Haven't seen a T-37/T-2 matchup, but, back in the '70s, I did see a
T-2 and a B-57 go at it up in Yankee 1. (Low Level Training Route in
the White Mountains in New England.) It mostly consisted of the T-2
trying to shake the Iron Cranberry off of its tail. B-57s can _turn_!

I don't know whose T-2 it was - I'd expect it was fron NAS Brunswick,
or NAS South Weymouth, but occasionally Raytheon or Sanders would have
one bailed ot them - The B-57 was from the VT ANG. They were a DSES
(Defense Systems Evaluation Squadron) at the time. The airplane was
in the 1950's Night Intruder gloss Black finish - downright predatory
looking - sort of like Darth Vader chasing Luke Skywalker.


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Pete Stickney
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bad measures. -- Daniel Webster