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Mxsmanic wrote:
writes: Anyway, the only readily available simulator that can be bought at a store that simulates aerodynamics "properly" is x-plane, in fact the engine that is used to simulate the physics of an airfoil does so completley without using benchmarks of real world aircraft, just their virtual models, and does it accuratley. There are many ways to accurately model flight. X-plane is also endorsed by the FAA as a PCATD... or something along those lines, I don't remember exactly what, but it's a lot better (from a physics standpoint) than Microsoft's release. When you do remember exactly what you're talking about, come back and explain it again. The details are here ( http://www.x-plane.com/FTD.html ) Found them in 10 seconds as you could have if you bothered at least a little bit to look things up on your own. |
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Anyway, the only readily available simulator that can be bought at a
store that simulates aerodynamics "properly" is x-plane, in fact the engine that is used to simulate the physics of an airfoil does so completley without using benchmarks of real world aircraft, just their virtual models, and does it accuratley. There are many ways to accurately model flight. X-plane is also endorsed by the FAA as a PCATD... or something along those lines, I don't remember exactly what, but it's a lot better (from a physics standpoint) than Microsoft's release. Except for: "Now, with X-Plane, we have a flight sim that can be used for logging time towards your instrument rating, Commercial Certificate, or even your AIRLINE TRANSPORT CERTIFICATE! Actually LOGGING this time requires you to be in a Motus full-motion sim (price tag: about $150,000.00) " More properly stated, X-Plane is a component "part" of a certified PCATD, it is NOT a PCATD. Big difference. That said, the X-Plane reviews for the home PC are pretty darn good. |
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Basically the only way I will ever convince you is for you to come fly
the damned thing. You'll be amazed, I think. I'd like to see what Mx would think. Jose -- "There are 3 secrets to the perfect landing. Unfortunately, nobody knows what they are." - (mike). for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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I think I have to agree with Jon. Flying a non precision approach in heavy rain, down to minimums, knowing that every decision you make might kill you and your passenger... that's real. Flying a simulator in your conference room is just helpful for learning procedures, not matter how "real" you try and make it. That said, practicing the procedures is probably well worth it. Jay Honeck wrote: Oh really. Have you flown in any clouds so you can make that statement honestly? In my always humble opinion there is a huge difference between flying IMC for real and playing a computer game. If MSFS were "as real as it gets" then why can't your time playing be logged? I'm not really sure, but I think it's because the sim set-up is too widely variable from person to person. For example, flying MSFS on my laptop at work using a mouse would *NOT* recreate flight in a way that would be truly meaningful. Flying the Kiwi (and some step in between) is. Since the FAA can't delineate between the two experiences, they simply disallow it. Makes sense to me, really. Basically the only way I will ever convince you is for you to come fly the damned thing. You'll be amazed, I think. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" -- Jay Masino "Home is where My critters are" http://www.JayMasino.com http://www.OceanCityAirport.com http://www.oc-Adolfos.com |
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Judah wrote: "Jay Honeck" wrote in news:1165207605.867323.172810@ 73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com: Okay, I know this one has been beaten up before -- but my eyes are now wide open to the possibilities a sim can provide. Here are a few data points for discussion: 1. IFR Flight Here I have to agree with you. I found my sim time to be very valuable with respect to Instrument training and currency. I think it's too easy to "cheat" in real life because if you stop scanning for a moment, and the plane starts drifting, you usually get "seat of the pants" cues to remind you to keep up your scan. Even if the cues are the wrong direction, they bring you out of your coma and get you back on your scan. The simulator doesn't give you that, so if you stop your scan, it starts drifting, and it becomes very clear that you and your plane have drifted and demonstrates just how important it is to keep your scan going. OTOH, I find the most disorienting part of IMC flight to be takeoff - I believe that the same factors that cause left turning tendency also create seat of the pants feelings that are innacurate and distracting. Combine that with the fact that your most likely to be "out of practice" when you first take off in IMC (as opposed to landing, when you've probably spent some amount of time getting re-acquainted with your scan), and I think it's easiest to get yourself into trouble on takeoff in IMC. I find that I have to consciously make an effort to focus on my scan during takeoff in IMC, and after the first time I found myself having trouble, I actually tell myself outloud to stay on scan if I know I'm taking off into soup... I think it's hard to simulate that without a full motion simulator... ISTR a (former?) regular on this group that ran one of those out of PA. Haven't seen him post on here in ages, though. Nice guy. Richard (sorry, last name escapes me right now)... |
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I used to practice spins on MSFS on the default Cessna 182 many years
ago. I don't know if real 182's will spin or not, but this one did quite nicely and realistically. fromTheShadows wrote: wrote: Really? Spin the plane, stall it and put it in a spin... the models are not full, it won't do a spin. I'm not a pilot, but there add-on aircraft that according to their developers will spin. The description for the (free) RealAir Cessna 172 specifically states that "it will side-slip and spin". |
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Jay Masino writes:
I think I have to agree with Jon. Flying a non precision approach in heavy rain, down to minimums, knowing that every decision you make might kill you and your passenger... that's real. Spoken like someone who hasn't been in a good simulator. Someone who has actually done this in a simulator a few times will be a lot better equipped to face it in real life, should he ever have to. Someone who shuns simulators because he thinks the experience doesn't count unless he's sick with fear is going to be caught completely off guard when bad things happen, and not only will he be terrified of making the wrong move, he won't know what the right move is supposed to be. Besides, as I've already said, the best pilots are the least emotional pilots. If you're frothing at the mouth with emotion in some delicate situation aloft, you're going to make mistakes no matter how good you are. Contrary to what you might think from watching movies or reading novels, the more emotional you are in an emergency, the more likely you are to die. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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