VF Question

"Ed Rasimus" wrote...

Fighter pilots are not stupid, but, they occasionally may be
disoriented. At least AF pilots can always orient themselves by the
base runway--for the poor nasal radiators the runway keeps moving and
turning.

It's a test -- can we stay oriented while the runway's moving in circles?

"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
...

Maybe "rising sun" was a poor descriptor for "sun on the horizon"?


I think a logo with a "sun on the horizon" for any group calling themselves
the Sun Downers would be best described as a setting sun.



How can one tell by looking at a logo if they are looking a a
depiction of East horizon or West?


If the logo is for the Sun Downers it's a west horizon.

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:57:08 GMT, "John R Weiss"
wrote:

"Ed Rasimus" wrote...

Fighter pilots are not stupid, but, they occasionally may be
disoriented. At least AF pilots can always orient themselves by the
base runway--for the poor nasal radiators the runway keeps moving and
turning.

It's a test -- can we stay oriented while the runway's moving in circles?

Why does that conjure up an image of a base turn that never reaches
final?


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

"Ed Rasimus" wrote...

It's a test -- can we stay oriented while the runway's moving in circles?

Why does that conjure up an image of a base turn that never reaches
final?

Been there; done that! When operating "zip lip" in the vicinity of rainstorms,
the ship would often make unannounced turns.

Occasionally they'd do it during night EMCON ops, too, but that would result in
a ILS localizer that just wouldn't stay in the middle...

"John R Weiss" wrote in message
news:ZOhfc.134856$gA5.1580389@attbi_s03...
"Ed Rasimus" wrote...

It's a test -- can we stay oriented while the runway's moving in
circles?

Why does that conjure up an image of a base turn that never reaches
final?

Been there; done that! When operating "zip lip" in the vicinity of
rainstorms,
the ship would often make unannounced turns.

Occasionally they'd do it during night EMCON ops, too, but that would
result in
a ILS localizer that just wouldn't stay in the middle...


Which ship in whose Navy had an ILS localizer on board? Did it tow marker
beacons, too?

Rick

Fighter pilots are not stupid, but, they occasionally may be
disoriented.

What about fighter pilots of the IJN? Did they become disoccidented?

vince norris

Which ship in whose Navy had an ILS localizer on board? Did it tow marker
beacons, too?

SPN41, equivalent to ILS. A godsend when it got ugly and/or dark.

Yes, those plane guard helos had a hell of a time maintaining position with
their marker beacons, heh, heh, heh.

Obviously, we were limited to DME only, assuming it was radiating. But
given the nature of the beast, you knew pretty much where you were by
altitude.

R / John

vincent p. norris wrote:

Fighter pilots are not stupid, but, they occasionally may be
disoriented.

What about fighter pilots of the IJN? Did they become disoccidented?

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"Yofuri" wrote...

Which ship in whose Navy had an ILS localizer on board? Did it tow marker
beacons, too?

SPN-41 ILS was a Navy-specific system. Course & G/S, but no marker beacons. We
used DME or radar for tipover info.

Ed- Why does that conjure up an image of a base turn that never reaches
final? BRBR

Ya haven't lived until ya try to get aboard when the ship's inna turn..great
fun and if ya don't kill yerself, an auto 'OK' pass from paddles.
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer