We Are All Spaniards

Hi Dan,

Of course the socialists might well have won without the bombing, and
would certainly have pulled out their troops, but nobody is going to
think of that. What they are going to think is this:

1) Spain joined the invasion of Iraq.

2) Spain got bombed by what seem to have been Islamic terrorists.

3) Spain pulled out of Iraq.

4) Bombing works, Q.E.D.

As much as I question the value of the military action in Iraq in terms
of the war on terror, I have to agree with you and Jay here. To pull
out as what must be seen by the terrorists as a reaction to the bombing
is a very bad thing.

regards,
Friedrich

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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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We are all Spaniards today.

As a percentage of Spanish population, the horrendous terrorist attack on
Madrid has now actually injured and killed more people than the World
Trade
Center attacks did to America in 2001.

Terrorism must be stopped, whatever the cost. Whether it was Basque
separatists or Muslim extremists is irrelevant -- the animals who take
pleasure in this kind of carnage must be hunted down and killed.

I have searched in vain to determine how many airplane pilots are in
Spain,
but I'm sure there must be at least one of you lurking on this newsgroup
today. Rest assured that all Americans stand with you, that we will
remember our allies, and that we will help you find the swine who
perpetrated this atrocity.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"



Jay,

Noble sentiments to be sure,

However, the Spanish people themselves don't seem to want to "be Spaniards"
as they promptly gave the "bum's rush" to the ruling party that has been
perceived as getting them attacked in the first place.

I think the attackers got exactly what they were aiming for in Spain and
IMO, if John Kerry gets elected President, they will have acheived a similar
gain in the US.

My $0.02 worth,

Jay Beckman
Student Pilot - KCHD
4.5 Hrs ... Nowhere to go but up!

This is addressed in the Wall Street Journal today. The writer points
to Poland as the next probable target, since it too has troops in
Iraq, and is more vulnerable than either the U.S. or Britain (and
perhaps more susceptible to blackmail).

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:44:17 GMT, "Tony Cox" wrote:

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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That was my reaction also. I don't know if it makes random attacks on
Spanish targets more likely, but it certainly makes attacks on BRITISH
targets more likely. Probably Polish targets as well.


I disagree. Britain has always been a target. An attack would not
change government policy (even if Labour were kicked out, the
Conservatives are even more bullish). And the UK have a clearer
sense of their global responsibilities than Spain. Of course, this
doesn't preclude an attack out of spite, but that is as likely now as
it was before the weekend. The most likely enhanced targets are
France and Germany (over the hajib issue), and in fact these two
have today called for an EU-wide emergency security conference.

The big loser in this is not the coalition forces in Iraq; rather it is
the institutions of the EU. The idea of a common defense force is
exposed as a farce (with Spain turning tail after just one bloody
nose), and continent-wide unity dealt a further blow (as the Spanish
political establishment is clearly not in the least concerned that their
actions have made life more dangerous and difficult for the rest of
the people of the EU).


all the best -- Dan Ford
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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This is addressed in the Wall Street Journal today. The writer points
to Poland as the next probable target, since it too has troops in
Iraq, and is more vulnerable than either the U.S. or Britain (and
perhaps more susceptible to blackmail).


Are there actually Muslims in Poland? I doubt Al-Qaida has
the infrastructure to mount an attack.

"Tony Cox" wrote in message
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
...

This is addressed in the Wall Street Journal today. The writer points
to Poland as the next probable target, since it too has troops in
Iraq, and is more vulnerable than either the U.S. or Britain (and
perhaps more susceptible to blackmail).


Are there actually Muslims in Poland? I doubt Al-Qaida has
the infrastructure to mount an attack.



Who says they have to be Moslems?

Unfortuantely, sympathies toward a movement are all that are required.

Jay Beckman

"Jay Beckman" wrote in message
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Who says they have to be Moslems?

Because Rasterfarians aren't particularly interested in
reestablishing the Kaliphate.

Exactly. But the poster who got me onto my soapbox was the one that said
that the way to do that was to stop making foreign policy decisions that
****ed off Arab terrorists so that they would leave us alone...

I was just trying to help him see the endgame of his plan...

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
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"Judah" wrote in message
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If the Arab Empire wins the war and rewrites history, I would pretty
much guarantee that you are wrong... They will claim all Americans
were western imperialist infidels who treaded upon the Nation of
Islam, and the only ones who weren't were the converts who supported
and helped them win the war.


Well, then, we'll have to make sure the Arab Empire doesn't win the
war.

Sure it is.

The way to do it is to show them that the families they left behind will
not be rewarded for their actions. The way to do it is to show that the
punishment for suicide bombing is, for example, the destruction of their
home and the exile of their families.

Another alternative is to show their leaders what happens when they attack
our innocents...

That's what worked in Hiroshima and Nagasaki...


ospam (Rosspilot) wrote in
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The only way to deal with terrorists is to put the fear back into their
own hearts...


It's not easy to frighten people willing to blow themselves up.

www.Rosspilot.com

Not in the eyes of the IRA. In the eyes of the IRA they are fighting for
the British to give back their land.

If they win, history will write that they were warriors and bravehearts...

Dylan Smith wrote in
:

In article , Judah wrote:
Just as the they believe the IRA are terrorists...

The IRA *are* terrorists.

"Judah" wrote in message
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Not in the eyes of the IRA. In the eyes of the IRA they are fighting for
the British to give back their land.


Who said the land was ever theirs? This is a minority population demanding
secession from Britain for religious reasons. The majority of people living
in Northern Ireland like things the way they are.

(Of course, me ancestors were orange...)