Wright Replica FAILS to Fly

(TBBlakeley) wrote in message ...
I see that Rob the NAZI is back spreading his unbelievable lies again...first
it was that the Nazi's design a bigger aircraft thatr the Hughes Flying
Boat...but gee, they never built it...

No, I said that the HK-1 was no big deal since the Nazis had equally
large designs and engines at the end of WW2. That is a fact. Check out
the ultra-large seaplane section of "Luftwaffe Secret Projects,
Strategic Bombers 1935-1945".

now it;s the Wright flyer and the first
supersonic flight.....

which are topics debated by many more people than myself and certain
publications like Flight Journal and such. So? This a NG. Calling me a
Nazi becuause I favor a different historical view than you is
juvenile.

Hey Nazi Rob, will your buddies be the first on the moon
next?..

No need to go there since American astronauts were trained by Nazi
engineers living in the US postwar and got to the moon via the Saturn
V- Von Braun's ship and dream come true.

maybe built the world's fastest aircraft...well, maybe, at least,
they
designed it????

Quite possibly as the entire German disc aircraft program is still
highly classified since it is directly linked to all US/UK/Canadian
postwar developments in that area, the flying descendents of which we
regard as the very blackest projects.

Hey, they won WWII also...well, at least they, you, planned it...so that too
make you Nazis right, again...well, at least in you and your nazi friend's
eyes. Any chance you are one of those boys from Brazil?????

No, they lost WW2 but saved the Allies a decade or more in postwar
aviation/space development... the wind tunnel data alone invaluable
not to mention all the thousands of German scientists, engineers, and
specialists that were employed by the govts of US, USSR, France, UK,
and Canada.

Keep on dreamin' Rob....it's really entertaining how warped your mind is...but
even better that you actually put your dillusions in print.

No brain warping here, just the historical reality of Germany's
contribution to aviation. And hey, Gustav Weisskopf flew in 1901...
long before the Nazis appeared, so save the "Nazi vilification" theme
of your posts.

Rob

On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:08:38 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

If that were true, wouldn't Clement Ader be credited with the first flight?
He is credited with being first to leave the ground in a powered,
heavier-than-air machine. He wasn't credited with the first flight because
he did not control his machine. It was known at the time, before the
Wrights flew, that true flight required control.

Not at all. If I saw a plane "flying" out of control, I would not
define it as flight.

That's assuming that Mr. Ader, whose name unfortunately has never come
to my attention, is indeed credited with this feat. What sort of a
landing did his uncontrolled aircraft make?

Many years ago I saw a film that consisted entirely of unsuccessful
flights--folks jumping off barn roofs with flapping wings, taking off
in crates that collapsed, etc. About half of them left the ground in a
powered heavier-than-air machine, but none of them flew. Perhaps Mr.
Ader was among them?


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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:08:38 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

If that were true, wouldn't Clement Ader be credited with the first
flight?
He is credited with being first to leave the ground in a powered,
heavier-than-air machine. He wasn't credited with the first flight
because
he did not control his machine. It was known at the time, before the
Wrights flew, that true flight required control.

Not at all. If I saw a plane "flying" out of control, I would not
define it as flight.

That's assuming that Mr. Ader, whose name unfortunately has never come
to my attention, is indeed credited with this feat. What sort of a
landing did his uncontrolled aircraft make?


Hard , it was wrecked.

To quote Ader himself

'The "Avion" obeyed, recovered a little, and remained for some seconds
headed towards its intended course, but it could not struggle against the
wind; instead of going back, on the contrary it drifted farther and farther
away. And ill-luck had it that the drift took the direction towards part of
the School of Musketry, which was guarded by posts and barriers. Frightened
at the prospect of breaking ourselves against these obstacles, surprised at
seeing the earth getting farther away from under the "Avion," and very much
impressed by seeing it rushing sideways at a sickening speed, instinctively
we stopped everything. What passed through our thoughts at this moment which
threatened a tragic turn would be difficult to set down. All at once came a
great shock, splintering, a heavy concussion: we had landed.'

Many years ago I saw a film that consisted entirely of unsuccessful
flights--folks jumping off barn roofs with flapping wings, taking off
in crates that collapsed, etc. About half of them left the ground in a
powered heavier-than-air machine, but none of them flew. Perhaps Mr.
Ader was among them?


The French military, who witnessed the flight, were not impressed
and stated that while the aircraft made several short hops it
did not achieve controlled flight and they withdrew funding.

Mr Ader's machine seems to have been capable of developing
enough lift to fly but lacked efficient controls.

Keith

Subject: Wright Replica FAILS to Fly
From: "Keith Willshaw"
Date: 9/29/03 4:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time

Mr Ader's machine seems to have been capable of developing
enough lift to fly but lacked efficient controls.

Keith

Sounds like a B-26. (grin)


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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Not at all. If I saw a plane "flying" out of control, I would not
define it as flight.

That's assuming that Mr. Ader, whose name unfortunately has never come
to my attention, is indeed credited with this feat. What sort of a
landing did his uncontrolled aircraft make?


In 1890 Clement Ader's "Eole" rose from level ground under it's own power
and traveled some 50 yards or so at an altitude of about one foot before
settling back down. Since Ader had not equipped the craft with any kind of
flight control system, this was obviously not controlled flight, but it was
the first time a manned heavier-than-air machine took off from level ground
under its own power.

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
...

Hard , it was wrecked.

To quote Ader himself

'The "Avion" obeyed, recovered a little, and remained for some seconds
headed towards its intended course, but it could not struggle against the
wind; instead of going back, on the contrary it drifted farther and
farther
away. And ill-luck had it that the drift took the direction towards part
of
the School of Musketry, which was guarded by posts and barriers.
Frightened
at the prospect of breaking ourselves against these obstacles, surprised
at
seeing the earth getting farther away from under the "Avion," and very
much
impressed by seeing it rushing sideways at a sickening speed,
instinctively
we stopped everything. What passed through our thoughts at this moment
which
threatened a tragic turn would be difficult to set down. All at once came
a
great shock, splintering, a heavy concussion: we had landed.'

Many years ago I saw a film that consisted entirely of unsuccessful
flights--folks jumping off barn roofs with flapping wings, taking off
in crates that collapsed, etc. About half of them left the ground in a
powered heavier-than-air machine, but none of them flew. Perhaps Mr.
Ader was among them?


The French military, who witnessed the flight, were not impressed
and stated that while the aircraft made several short hops it
did not achieve controlled flight and they withdrew funding.

Mr Ader's machine seems to have been capable of developing
enough lift to fly but lacked efficient controls.


I was referring to Ader's earlier "Eole" of 1890, not the "Avion".

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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Not at all. If I saw a plane "flying" out of control, I would not
define it as flight.

That's assuming that Mr. Ader, whose name unfortunately has never
come to my attention, is indeed credited with this feat. What sort
of a landing did his uncontrolled aircraft make?


In 1890 Clement Ader's "Eole" rose from level ground under it's own
power and traveled some 50 yards or so at an altitude of about one
foot before settling back down. Since Ader had not equipped the
craft with any kind of flight control system, this was obviously not
controlled flight, but it was the first time a manned
heavier-than-air machine took off from level ground under its own
power.

The Montgoflier(sp) brothers would be devastated to hear this.

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"Bill Silvey" wrote in message
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The Montgoflier(sp) brothers would be devastated to hear this.


It's Montgolfier. Why would they be devastated?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Bill Silvey" wrote in message
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The Montgoflier(sp) brothers would be devastated to hear this.


It's Montgolfier. Why would they be devastated?

Because I misread your post...sorry about that...!

Move along! Nothing to see here. :-)

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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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Mr Ader's machine seems to have been capable of developing
enough lift to fly but lacked efficient controls.


I was referring to Ader's earlier "Eole" of 1890, not the "Avion".



That aircraft made a single flight of around 50m and seems to
have been incapable of sustaining powered flight.

Keith