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In article rsABe.40273$DC2.16013@okepread01,
"Gig 601XL Builder" wr.giacona@coxDOTnet wrote:

You really are a moron. If there is an official buffer acreage it certainly
isn't filled with houses.

don't confuse the poor boy with facts.

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

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Isn't partaking of something paid for by someone else your definition of
mooching?


The PUBLIC PARKS are open until 2300, no alcohol. The view is
spectacular, a great skyline and Soldier Field, NFL mega-mooch for another
n.g..

There happens to be some familiar amplified sound in the area and the
local harbor guards don't question anyone stopping and listening.
Maybe a young kid will listen and be inspired to learn music, or they
can drop in LANSING for a plane ride, their choice.


But isn't partaking of something paid for by someone else your definition of
mooching?



A "calculation" thats "perhaps" wrong by a factor of TEN.


Yes, the benefits may actually be far greater.



I see we agree on something.


Which is it? 8 or 4 miles like you posted in 2003:


What we agreed on is that GA capacity in the CGX area has been zero since
CGX was closed.



"The revenues from Clear Channel will find their way to Daley's
pocket."


Simple logic. You don't really believe he'd have a public asset like CGX
destroyed without personal gain do you?



Most?


Yes, most. Have you ever been to Chicago?

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OK, buster, let's turn the tables: what do you think should be the
standard for adequate GA airports for a city of 3 million people?


I frankly haven't seen a movement by a large portion of the citizens
for more capacity. MDW's size is 1 square mile and seems to due just
fine.
ORD takes GA, but ya gotta pay the fees. Land is expensive, so there's
a limit for any new fields within city limits. Outside, Lansing, Gary,
DPA, Shaumburg, Palwaukee, and Waukegan serve the region fine.


In other words, you have no idea of the standard for adequate GA airports
for a city of 3 million people.

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Simple real estate economics, land for a GA AP (plus buffer areas) is
non existant.


That's not correct. Land for a fine GA airport exists in the form of
Northerly Island.



The city air traveler is well served by the airline industry, with
99.99 percent showing no interest in piloting.


That would make 30,000 that have shown an interest in piloting. How well
are they served?

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The US military produces fine commercial candidates, a good deal:
Training to defend the county (most of the time) and qualified commericial
pilots upon retirement.


It's been a long time since the US military provided the majority of pilots
for US airlines.

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There are NO entries on my RESIDENTAL PROPERTY TAX BILL for:
-DuPage Bum Authority (many churches provide shelter services thru
PADS)
-Hoover Dam
-Yosemite NP
-Waikiki Beach
-New Jersey Turnpike
-Golden Gate Bridge

There is for the DPA.


None of your property tax is used to pay DPA operating costs.

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Some interesting notes:
-Fortunately, a station was within running distance, at the end of the
western "crash zone"


What's a "crash zone"?

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What in hell is a "crash zone?"


A crash zone is what they call my touchdown point.


Whatever the official term is for the buffer acreage at the
ends of the runway. This may be filled by houses, trees, etc.


How can it be considered a buffer if it is filled by houses, trees, etc?

("Steven P. McNicoll" wrote)
How can it be considered a buffer if it is filled by houses, trees, etc?


(FCM) Flying Cloud Airport - south/west of Minneapolis - one of the Reliever
Airports for MSP.

Just got off the phone with Joe Harris - Airport Manager for both FCM and my
local airport ANE.

We talked about the story (2 years ago) in the Mpls Star-Tribune newspaper
about MAC's (Metropolitan Airport Commission) auctioning of (10?) homes next
to Flying Cloud Airport (FCM)

Homes were in the (1/2 mile long) "Runway Protection Area/Zone - B."
RPZ - "A" means clear of homes, structures, trees, etc.

Harris said FCM's "Clear Zone(?)" requirements come from a combination of
FAA,
MNDot, and the Twin Cities "Met(troplitan) Council" rules and regulations.
All overlapping.

MAC bought the homes in 2000 with an eye on future runway expansion.
(Putting people in those houses who can't complain in the future was one
goal - one family decided to stay put and did not sell to MAC.)

MAC auctioned off the houses in 2003. These were beautiful 1/2 acre,
3/4 acre, 1 acre, and some 2 acre lots... some homes with tennis courts.
Homes
were mostly 1960's style. One had a nice tennis court.

I was forbidden by my gal from bidding in 2003! Longer commute for her.
Drat. I would have come in too low anyway - homes went for 225K - 300+K. I
wanted the nice rambler on 2 (wooded!!) acres. Wanted it for 185K. Doh!

The new owners are not allowed to do any extra things to attract birds, have
bee hives, or grow tall trees, etc. Many property improvements need prior
approval from MAC, but MAC is flexible Joe Harris said.

BTW, MSP has Runway Protection Zone (issues) for it's 17/35 runway extension
project. It's called the Mall of America :-)


Montblack

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

That would make 30,000 that have shown an interest in piloting.Â*Â*HowÂ*well
are they served?

Beyond which, anyone that would be willing to pay to be flown via private
charter is forced to use the further, busier, and more congested airports.
How many dollars is that costing that city, as business executives etc.
choose to spend their money in more friendly towns?

Remember: to these people time is money. They may not care about Chicago's
vandalism, but they do care that Chicago is willing to cost them time. So
elsewhere they go.

And, of course, the dollars they're not spending in Chicago are also not
being spent again by the people in Chicago not receiving them. But that's
a multiplier, and the OP has already explained that this is too complex a
concept (ie. Econ 101) to follow.

- Andrew