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Old July 29th 19, 04:40 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
George Haeh
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What T8 did not mention is that the part of the pin that goes through the rod is bent to keep it permanently on the rod.

Very hard to drop into inaccessible cavities once installed.

Look at both of T8's photos to see how it's done.
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Old July 29th 19, 04:58 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
John Foster
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On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 9:40:25 AM UTC-6, George Haeh wrote:
What T8 did not mention is that the part of the pin that goes through the rod is bent to keep it permanently on the rod.

Very hard to drop into inaccessible cavities once installed.

Look at both of T8's photos to see how it's done.


I wish we could post photos on here like a "normal" forum. None of these solutions offered will work, because the clips are too long and will bind on the wing root rib as the ball joint moves back and forth through it. It is indeed the rotating cam variety of straight L'Hotellier ball connectors, as Scott Williams surmised. The smallest "R-clip" I've been able to find on Amazon is now 22mm long. This still would be too long, I would think. The holes in the wing root rib where the push rods exit are quite small, and the push rods are not centered in the holes either.
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Old July 29th 19, 06:31 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 10:58:42 AM UTC-5, John Foster wrote:
On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 9:40:25 AM UTC-6, George Haeh wrote:
What T8 did not mention is that the part of the pin that goes through the rod is bent to keep it permanently on the rod.

Very hard to drop into inaccessible cavities once installed.

Look at both of T8's photos to see how it's done.


I wish we could post photos on here like a "normal" forum. None of these solutions offered will work, because the clips are too long and will bind on the wing root rib as the ball joint moves back and forth through it. It is indeed the rotating cam variety of straight L'Hotellier ball connectors, as Scott Williams surmised. The smallest "R-clip" I've been able to find on Amazon is now 22mm long. This still would be too long, I would think. The holes in the wing root rib where the push rods exit are quite small, and the push rods are not centered in the holes either.


Hey John,

62 FR 17537 - Airworthiness Directives; Louis L'Hotellier, S.A., Ball and Swivel Joint Quick Connectors

lindners online website lists the original A.D. in Europe. specifies clips only.
However, The U.S. FAA , allows safety wire. I fly with a club member who has a Phoebus A, and I owned a Phoebus C, Neither one of us was ever able to find any clips short enough to not rub on the tubes. properly located holes drilled into the cams and safety wire were the only solution we found.
It's A PITA, but once you've done it a few times not such a big deal.
Don't forget the required placard.
Good Luck,
Scott
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Old July 29th 19, 06:48 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net
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One comment - If I read the above correctly some gliders do not have any safeties on their hotelier fittings at all??? Whoa! The FAA AD was released 27 years ago (revised 22 years ago) so I would have hoped that everyone had this uber-safety-critical fix implemented DECADES ago.

92-CE-41-AD; Amendment 39-10080; AD 97-08-06 R1
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Old July 29th 19, 07:55 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 11:48:37 AM UTC-6, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:
One comment - If I read the above correctly some gliders do not have any safeties on their hotelier fittings at all??? Whoa! The FAA AD was released 27 years ago (revised 22 years ago) so I would have hoped that everyone had this uber-safety-critical fix implemented DECADES ago.

92-CE-41-AD; Amendment 39-10080; AD 97-08-06 R1


Thanks Scott for that additional information. Safety wire does sound like the "best" option at the moment.

John, this Phoebus glider I'm referring to has been in a hanger loft for 19yrs, and hasn't flown since 1997, and this is the one AD that hasn't been complied with yet.
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Old July 29th 19, 08:56 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 1:55:48 PM UTC-5, John Foster wrote:
On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 11:48:37 AM UTC-6, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:
One comment - If I read the above correctly some gliders do not have any safeties on their hotelier fittings at all??? Whoa! The FAA AD was released 27 years ago (revised 22 years ago) so I would have hoped that everyone had this uber-safety-critical fix implemented DECADES ago.

92-CE-41-AD; Amendment 39-10080; AD 97-08-06 R1


Thanks Scott for that additional information. Safety wire does sound like the "best" option at the moment.

John, this Phoebus glider I'm referring to has been in a hanger loft for 19yrs, and hasn't flown since 1997, and this is the one AD that hasn't been complied with yet.


John F - Well that makes more sense!

Some sources for Wedekind Sleeves (and other types of fasteners?) is shown on slide 22 of http://aviation.derosaweb.net/wedeki...stallation.pdf. Note that this list may have over time become inaccurate. Let me know if anything needs updating.
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Old July 29th 19, 10:22 PM
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What T8 did not mention is that the part of the pin that goes through the rod is bent to keep it permanently on the rod.

Very hard to drop into inaccessible cavities once installed.

Look at both of T8's photos to see how it's done.

That's the primary reason I got them .No more dropping pins ,also the anxiety that the lost pin may jam somewhere in flight .

The pins that were bought though a reputable dealer worked for the flaps,ailerons and spoilers but the pin for the elevator hung up a bit when the elevator was actuated.
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Old July 30th 19, 01:49 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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I owned an ASW-19b more than 27 years ago and never had any safety
clips.* I sold it in 1992...

On 7/29/2019 11:48 AM, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net
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One comment - If I read the above correctly some gliders do not have any safeties on their hotelier fittings at all??? Whoa! The FAA AD was released 27 years ago (revised 22 years ago) so I would have hoped that everyone had this uber-safety-critical fix implemented DECADES ago.

92-CE-41-AD; Amendment 39-10080; AD 97-08-06 R1


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Old July 30th 19, 03:37 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net
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On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 7:49:14 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
I owned an ASW-19b more than 27 years ago and never had any safety
clips.* I sold it in 1992...

On 7/29/2019 11:48 AM, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net
wrote:
One comment - If I read the above correctly some gliders do not have any safeties on their hotelier fittings at all??? Whoa! The FAA AD was released 27 years ago (revised 22 years ago) so I would have hoped that everyone had this uber-safety-critical fix implemented DECADES ago.

92-CE-41-AD; Amendment 39-10080; AD 97-08-06 R1


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Dan - You wouldn't have known about needing the safety clips for your AWS-19B in 1992 as this FAA AD didn't come out until 1997. Lets hope that the new owners complied with the AD.

Gliders impacted:

Alexander Schleicher: ASK21, ASK23, ASW12, ASW15, ASW15B, ASW17, ASW19, ASW19B, AS12, AS-K13, Centrair S.N 101, 101A, 101P, 101AP, and 201B
Eiriavion: PIK 20, PIK 20B, and PIK 20D
Glaser Dirks: DG100, DG400, and DG-500M
Burkhart: Grob G102 Astir CS, G102, G103 Twin Astir, G103 Twin II, G103A Twin II Acro, G103C Twin III SL, G109, and G109B
Intreprinderea: ICA (Lark) IS-28B2 and IS-29D2
Rolladen Schneider: LS1-f and LS3-a
Schempp-Hirth: Cirrus, Std. Cirrus, Nimbus 2, Nimbus 2B, Janus, Discus a, Ventus a/16.6
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Old July 30th 19, 04:56 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 8:37:24 PM UTC-6, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:
On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 7:49:14 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
I owned an ASW-19b more than 27 years ago and never had any safety
clips.* I sold it in 1992...

On 7/29/2019 11:48 AM, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net
wrote:
One comment - If I read the above correctly some gliders do not have any safeties on their hotelier fittings at all??? Whoa! The FAA AD was released 27 years ago (revised 22 years ago) so I would have hoped that everyone had this uber-safety-critical fix implemented DECADES ago.

92-CE-41-AD; Amendment 39-10080; AD 97-08-06 R1


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Dan, 5J


Dan - You wouldn't have known about needing the safety clips for your AWS-19B in 1992 as this FAA AD didn't come out until 1997. Lets hope that the new owners complied with the AD.

Gliders impacted:

Alexander Schleicher: ASK21, ASK23, ASW12, ASW15, ASW15B, ASW17, ASW19, ASW19B, AS12, AS-K13, Centrair S.N 101, 101A, 101P, 101AP, and 201B
Eiriavion: PIK 20, PIK 20B, and PIK 20D
Glaser Dirks: DG100, DG400, and DG-500M
Burkhart: Grob G102 Astir CS, G102, G103 Twin Astir, G103 Twin II, G103A Twin II Acro, G103C Twin III SL, G109, and G109B
Intreprinderea: ICA (Lark) IS-28B2 and IS-29D2
Rolladen Schneider: LS1-f and LS3-a
Schempp-Hirth: Cirrus, Std. Cirrus, Nimbus 2, Nimbus 2B, Janus, Discus a, Ventus a/16.6


Do you recall the circumstance causing the AD?
 




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