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Runway Incursion and NASA form
Hi all,
After a short local flight, I landed on 4L at HNL and forgot to hold short of 4R. After I made the right turn on taxiway Echo from 4L, the tower (sensing that I was taxiing a bit fast) tells me, in a rather calm voice, "hold short of 4R!". By that time, I had already crossed the 4R hold bars. I was not on runway 4R, just between the hold bars and the runway edge. There was neither departing nor landing traffic. I apologized, and the tower told me to contact ground. Never heard from the tower again. What should I do? Should I fill out the NASA form? Thanks, Alex |
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"Koopas Ly" wrote in message
om... What should I do? Should I fill out the NASA form? We just had this thread. File the form. And not just because it protects you from an enforcement action. Pete |
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I am going to fill out the form and mail it tomorrow. Reading about the
NASA form on AOPA's website, the following is stated: "However, pilots should still exercise caution when completing the "Type of Event/Situation" block on the identification strip of the NASA form. The pilot may have to show this strip to the FAA in order to obtain the waiver of sanction. By innocently describing the event, the pilot could inadvertently admit to the violation or a part of the violation." What should I put under "Type of Event/Situation"? Was it actually a runway incursion? I wasn't ON runway 4R, only beyond the hold short bars between 4L and 4R. Awaiting advice, Alex (Koopas Ly) wrote in message . com... Hi all, After a short local flight, I landed on 4L at HNL and forgot to hold short of 4R. After I made the right turn on taxiway Echo from 4L, the tower (sensing that I was taxiing a bit fast) tells me, in a rather calm voice, "hold short of 4R!". By that time, I had already crossed the 4R hold bars. I was not on runway 4R, just between the hold bars and the runway edge. There was neither departing nor landing traffic. I apologized, and the tower told me to contact ground. Never heard from the tower again. What should I do? Should I fill out the NASA form? Thanks, Alex |
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I'll get flamed for this...but it was way too innocent a transgression. The
controllers did not sound upset. As a previous poster commented, "Was there a loss of separation?" And the answer appears to be no. If there was there'd be paperwork to be filled out by the tower and THEN I'd fill the NASA form out. I believe the form offers protection only once in five years if I read it correctly. If I'm correct wouldn't want to turn in my "get out of jail free card" over such a minor transgression. I'm wide open here soaking in 100LL...I can already see Peter Duniho right now cracking his knuckles now over his keyboard and wiping a bit of drool from the right corner of his mouth. Kobra wrote in message ... On 10 Nov 2003 01:21:41 -0800, (Koopas Ly) wrote: Was it actually a runway incursion? Was there a loss of separation? Was there an aircraft within 3,000' landing or departing? |
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" I'll get flamed for this...but it was way too innocent a transgression. The controllers did not sound upset. As a previous poster commented, "Was there a loss of separation?" And the answer appears to be no. If there was there'd be paperwork to be filled out by the tower and THEN I'd fill the NASA form out. This isn't a "flame" but I disagree. While you are certainly correct that in this situation likely the Tower has done nothing and nothing will ever be heard on the situation it is not necessary at all for the Tower to even imply they are begining to file a report on the pilot. It is possibly, although not likely, the first word the pilot hears is the letter of investigation arriving in the mail. FILL OUT THE NASA FORM and then don't worry about it. |
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I believe the form offers protection only once in five years if I read it correctly. If I'm correct wouldn't want to turn in my "get out of jail free card" over such a minor transgression. In regards to this you are right and wrong. You can turn in NASA forms night and day and they provide protection that one time the FAA comes calling. If the pilot fills out a NASA form on this and the FAA does not investigate this doesn't "waste" his one get out of jail free card. If they do investigate it then well the NASA form will be worth its weight in gold won't it? |
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In regards to this you are right and wrong. You can turn in NASA forms
night and day and they provide protection that one time the FAA comes calling. If the pilot fills out a NASA form on this and the FAA does not investigate this doesn't "waste" his one get out of jail free card. This I did not know...if this is correct then I agree...turn the form in. Kobra |
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"David Corsi" wrote in message news:iAMrb.160468$Tr4.432588@attbi_s03... In regards to this you are right and wrong. You can turn in NASA forms night and day and they provide protection that one time the FAA comes calling. If the pilot fills out a NASA form on this and the FAA does not investigate this doesn't "waste" his one get out of jail free card. If they do investigate it then well the NASA form will be worth its weight in gold won't it? Correct. There isn't a waste of a "get out of jail free card." It's not the use of the NASA form that gets charged against you, it's having any violations (absolved by use of the form or not). You can't save up your "card" for a real big violation, because any enforcement action will wipe it out (absolved or otherwise). |
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