I love Jim Campbell

John,

I've been to BWB's house. I suppose you could say I'm one
of the "ass lickers" as Bernie the Butt**** so quaintly puts
it.

That said, I've seen the certificates on Bills office walls.
I've seen the letter from a dean at the University of
Washington commending Bill on earning a straight 4.0
gradepoint for his work on the radiation physics medical
degree (I'm not sure of the exact name of the degree). The
letter also says that Bill was the FIRST and ONLY person to
ever do that.

He has had the clearances but, if I recall correctly, he has
let them lapse. To paraphrase him.... "I'm tired of the
Government checking what I do, what I drink and what I say".

He's walked the walk and talked the talk... If he wants to
push your buttons just to see you sputter and scream...
well, I think he's earned that right.

I've also been one of those that have emailed him and called
him by phone to "discuss" his off the wall diatribes towards
some of the folks here on RAH. I DON'T condone nor
appreciate his attacks against Sidney. I wouldn't use his
particular choices of language describing her. I DO agree
that she's a self important twit.

I've known many of the regulars on RAH for several years.
Maybe I'm inclined to forgive transgressions too easily. I
know that BWB, Urban, Springer and Johanson can all be
irritating and obnoxious at times.

But, they, at least, all have the cojones to identify who
they are. We all know who they are even though some may
think that Jerry Springer wouldn't have time between TV
shows to peruse the internet.

On the other hand... Bernie the Butt**** only makes posts
condemning others posts. Check the records... his only
forte is chastising others for offending him or breaking one
of his posting rules. He says he wants to remain anonymous
for fear of harm from having his identity known...

I say he's a Troll... he has no life outside of his own
mind.. He lives only in the hope of attention to his
pitiful posts.

Crawl back into your hole, Bernie... we don't need you...

John Ammeter

Notice.... I SIGN my posts... can you do the same Bernie??

On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 21:59:15 -0500, Big John
wrote:

O-ring Seals

I also had a TS and some compartmented access that I don't go throwing
around even today.

Know there were a lot of strap hangers that rode in the wagon and
didn't help pull or push, just talked. A number of these were
associated with the RAND Corporation.

They would get a study contract and come back and say, "yes, one and
one are two" and the Air Force would pay them big money for their
'studied' report.

My grandfather could have done the same while smoking his pipe after
dinner using 'common sense'.

I haven't gone to the archives and looked at prior activities of BWB
but if they match what has shown up on r.a.h. lately and what others
have said about him, then I can get his clearances pulled if they are
still active.

I'm not making threats, just pointing out what can be done in the
system.

In this PC world today, it is easy to cut someone out of the pattern.


Big John

I need to go get a breath of fresh air....................


On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 20:47:39 GMT, (O-ring
Seals) wrote:

On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:19:36 -0500, Big John
wrote:

Bob

BWB never touched a Nuc weapon. They had programs that screened out
kooks like him.

Big John
Point of the sword


Big John,

I knew Bill as far back as those days. We were in a lab in Las Vegas
at the time, and also flew a lot together. I too doubt that Bill ever
"touched" a nuke. Why in the **** would he want to do that? He was
not a 'kook', and was not 'screened out'. Like me, he had an AEC "Q"
clearance. Maybe he still does. This is a Top Seceret clearance, and
his badge showed that he had access to a lot more areas than mine.
Thought you might be interested.

Regards,

O-ring Seals

Big John wrote:

What torques me is the filthy language some use. It sounds like the
truckers on the Citizens Band in vehicles. I stopped listening and
took the radio out of my car because I didn't want my family to have
to listen to that crap and if I had a customer in my car it sure
didn't help me make any sale of my product/service.

Oh, Lordy! Yeah, I had a CB radio when we got married, 23 yrs
ago. It was stolen some 15 yrs back, and I never replaced it.
Even in those years it had become useless due to the awful
language.

Cheers,
Sydney

John Ammeter wrote:
John,



I've known many of the regulars on RAH for several years.
Maybe I'm inclined to forgive transgressions too easily. I
know that BWB, Urban, Springer and Johanson can all be
irritating and obnoxious at times.

But, they, at least, all have the cojones to identify who
they are. We all know who they are even though some may
think that Jerry Springer wouldn't have time between TV
shows to peruse the internet.

On the other hand... Bernie the Butt**** only makes posts
condemning others posts. Check the records... his only
forte is chastising others for offending him or breaking one
of his posting rules. He says he wants to remain anonymous
for fear of harm from having his identity known...


Me obnoxious? You must have me mixed up with someone else John :-)
Hay missed you at Arlington this year, I was there on Thursday and
Friday but did not see you. I missed seeing O-ring also. We need to give
Bernie a break he lives in Canada and is disabled, he is not a pilot and
has nothing better to do than entertain himself here and other
newsgroups. BTW here is a good place to get ideas for a TV show.

Jerry

PS not anything wrong with living in Canada if you want to, I have many
friends that live there.

pac plyer wrote:

Good post Sydney. No Snowbird, I agree with Mike (just what is a
Nafod anyway?) :-) and Bob Reid on this one. The current function of
a newsgroup is really multi-faceted: its entertainment and
socializing, interupted by galactically stupid questions from mere
mortals that have nothing better to do than interupt our fine
conversations... he, he. ;-) But seriously, newbies simply need to
phrase things in the form of a respectful question, some old fart with
massive background in exactly that area may be lurking and will
accomplish that sharing of info function you mentioned. If no one
answers, keep trying or call EAA.

All right, let's stipulate that today, newsgroups have multifaced
functions.

Analogy:
It's cool to go to the local concert in the park and socialize,
eat hotdogs, so forth. It ain't the symphony, not everyone is
there to listen to the music, it has a multifaceted purpose.

OTOH, if one person or group becomes so loud and disruptive
that others are pretty much unable to listen to the music
or carry on their own conversations, that multifaceted purpose
is pretty much shot-to-hell, now, isn't it?

Back to this group:
If "old farts with massive backgrounds" move on because they
have other priorities in life than lurking in a poisonous atmosphere,
then those newbies are pretty much SOL and what happens to that
aspect of the "multifaceted purpose"?

snip
I do see a fundamental contradiction between your advice to others
to "killfile" or "not read" stuff they don't like and let it roll, '
vs. your own responses. That seemed to be an issue you sidestepped.

As for the rest of your comments, I'll say IMO you're missing
the boat and let it go at that; other uses for my time, got to
go water my cactus.

Out,
Sydney

(B2431) wrote in message ...
Like me, he had an AEC "Q"
clearance. Maybe he still does. This is a Top Seceret clearance

Tot to put too fine a point on this, but Q was AEC and Top Secret was DOD and
nary the twain would meet.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


Dan,

Sorry about making you my target earlier, did not refer to you as a
"net nazi", was just pointing out that we are unmoderated here and
have been knee-deep in self-anoited netcops for years. I hope there's
no hard feelings.

As you know, there is another catagory of clearance that cannot be
discussed. Perhaps that is why O-rings used the lower "top secret."
Unless that rule has changed since I held a DOD top secret clearance.

pacplyer - out

John

I'm not against arguing any thing from any position.

What I'm against it using filth for filth's sake. If someone can't
argue his point in a civilized manner then I have no reason to talk to
him.

I'm working to get my filters set to kill any of his posts and
hopefully any rely that quotes him. Only partially successful so far
but still working.

I do agree with some who have posted, that if no one answered his
posts he would get tired of playing with his self and go so something
else. I've see this happen where the regulars don't talk to a 'troll'
and someone drops in and see's the 'troll' posting and answers and is
caught up in the merry go round.

The best to you and BWB.

Big John


On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 03:30:26 GMT, John Ammeter
wrote:

John,

I've been to BWB's house. I suppose you could say I'm one
of the "ass lickers" as Bernie the Butt**** so quaintly puts
it.

That said, I've seen the certificates on Bills office walls.
I've seen the letter from a dean at the University of
Washington commending Bill on earning a straight 4.0
gradepoint for his work on the radiation physics medical
degree (I'm not sure of the exact name of the degree). The
letter also says that Bill was the FIRST and ONLY person to
ever do that.

He has had the clearances but, if I recall correctly, he has
let them lapse. To paraphrase him.... "I'm tired of the
Government checking what I do, what I drink and what I say".

He's walked the walk and talked the talk... If he wants to
push your buttons just to see you sputter and scream...
well, I think he's earned that right.

I've also been one of those that have emailed him and called
him by phone to "discuss" his off the wall diatribes towards
some of the folks here on RAH. I DON'T condone nor
appreciate his attacks against Sidney. I wouldn't use his
particular choices of language describing her. I DO agree
that she's a self important twit.

I've known many of the regulars on RAH for several years.
Maybe I'm inclined to forgive transgressions too easily. I
know that BWB, Urban, Springer and Johanson can all be
irritating and obnoxious at times.

But, they, at least, all have the cojones to identify who
they are. We all know who they are even though some may
think that Jerry Springer wouldn't have time between TV
shows to peruse the internet.

On the other hand... Bernie the Butt**** only makes posts
condemning others posts. Check the records... his only
forte is chastising others for offending him or breaking one
of his posting rules. He says he wants to remain anonymous
for fear of harm from having his identity known...

I say he's a Troll... he has no life outside of his own
mind.. He lives only in the hope of attention to his
pitiful posts.

Crawl back into your hole, Bernie... we don't need you...

John Ammeter

Notice.... I SIGN my posts... can you do the same Bernie??

On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 21:59:15 -0500, Big John
wrote:

O-ring Seals

I also had a TS and some compartmented access that I don't go throwing
around even today.

Know there were a lot of strap hangers that rode in the wagon and
didn't help pull or push, just talked. A number of these were
associated with the RAND Corporation.

They would get a study contract and come back and say, "yes, one and
one are two" and the Air Force would pay them big money for their
'studied' report.

My grandfather could have done the same while smoking his pipe after
dinner using 'common sense'.

I haven't gone to the archives and looked at prior activities of BWB
but if they match what has shown up on r.a.h. lately and what others
have said about him, then I can get his clearances pulled if they are
still active.

I'm not making threats, just pointing out what can be done in the
system.

In this PC world today, it is easy to cut someone out of the pattern.


Big John

I need to go get a breath of fresh air....................


On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 20:47:39 GMT, (O-ring
Seals) wrote:

On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:19:36 -0500, Big John
wrote:

Bob

BWB never touched a Nuc weapon. They had programs that screened out
kooks like him.

Big John
Point of the sword


Big John,

I knew Bill as far back as those days. We were in a lab in Las Vegas
at the time, and also flew a lot together. I too doubt that Bill ever
"touched" a nuke. Why in the **** would he want to do that? He was
not a 'kook', and was not 'screened out'. Like me, he had an AEC "Q"
clearance. Maybe he still does. This is a Top Seceret clearance, and
his badge showed that he had access to a lot more areas than mine.
Thought you might be interested.

Regards,

O-ring Seals

John Ammeter wrote:

John,

I've been to BWB's house. I suppose you could say I'm one
of the "ass lickers" as Bernie the Butt**** so quaintly puts
it.

That said, I've seen the certificates on Bills office walls.

And I have never ever, ever, ever, ever made any dispariging comments
about the personal accomplishments of Bill Phillips or anyone else in
this group.

Quite the contrary.

The fact is John - If I visited YOUR house I'm quite sure I'd see lots
of evidence on the wall of your accomplishments in life.

But I don't ever recall even on one occaission where YOU came to this
newsgroup and rammed those accomplishments down our collective throat
ad naseum and directly infered that YOU were better than anybody and
everbody and that is exactly what your friend Bill Phillips has done in
this newsgroup many many many dozens of times and YOU know it.

I've seen the letter from a dean at the University of
Washington commending Bill on earning a straight 4.0
gradepoint for his work on the radiation physics medical
degree (I'm not sure of the exact name of the degree). The
letter also says that Bill was the FIRST and ONLY person to
ever do that.

That's great John and I heartily commend Bill on that accomplishment
but in the overall scheme of things why does that accomplishement
and some of his other fine accomplishments have to be rammed down this
newsgroups throats in such a caustic and arrogant manner over and over
and over again.

After a couple of dozen times John....WHO THE **** CARES.

BESIDE HIM AND HIS EGO!!!!!!!!

He has had the clearances but, if I recall correctly, he has
let them lapse. To paraphrase him.... "I'm tired of the
Government checking what I do, what I drink and what I say".

WHO THE **** CARES.....??????????

If he wants to push your buttons just to see you sputter
and scream...well, I think he's earned that right.

Well it's YOU who is doing the sputtering and screaming tonite.

I've also been one of those that have emailed him and called
him by phone to "discuss" his off the wall diatribes towards
some of the folks here on RAH. I DON'T condone nor
appreciate his attacks against Sidney. I wouldn't use his
particular choices of language describing her.

And at the time I do believe I gave YOU full credit for that.

I DO agree that she's a self important twit.

YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF FOR THAT COMMENT.

Compared to BWB, his attitude, his comments, his ego, his
arrogance, Sidney is milk and cookies. and YOU and everyone
in this group knows it.

Show me just one comment in this newsgroup from Sidney
that supports that statment.

Come on Mr Urban, Springer, Gonzo, Warren and Nancy, Captain Doug,
Ousterhout, Jim Weir, Mr. Pinkneyville, Juan, and all the rest of YOU
REGULARS IN THIS GROUP.

Your good friend John needs your immediate help to find just one
posting from Sidney clearly showing that she is a self important twit.

Your friend Bill has made hundreds if not thousands of posts in this
very newsgroup that show clearly that he is a self important twit.

And you call ME a buttlicker.

But, they, at least, all have the cojones to identify who
they are.

I identify myself each and everytime I post John,
Same name - same IP address.

Crawl back into your hole, Bernie... we don't need you...

Who is WE....????????

Notice.... I SIGN my posts... can you do the same Bernie??

Of course

Yours Sincerely,
Bernard J. Bunion.

I often wonder how someone new to this NG who really wants to learn feels
seeing juvenile behaviour such as this. There are people here who do know their
stuff yet act like children. I bet the aforementioned newbie misses the good
stuff for all the garbage.

Just me, but I can't bring myself to make personal or vulgar attacks to make a
point or get a rise out of a bunch of people it's likely I will never meet.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

On 06 Aug 2003 02:19:41 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

Like me, he had an AEC "Q"
clearance. Maybe he still does. This is a Top Seceret clearance

Tot to put too fine a point on this, but Q was AEC and Top Secret was DOD and
nary the twain would meet.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Oh Bull ****. We worked hand in hand with guys wearing the black TS
bagdes from DOD. You ****ing idiot. You know nothing.

Where the hell did you come from, some hole in the ground?

I had three Bird Colonels working FOR me (reporting directly to me)
when I retired and I was a GS-15 with a "Q" clearance.

You obviously never worked in the nuclear weapons testing program.

BWB

On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 21:59:15 -0500, Big John
wrote:

O-ring Seals

I also had a TS and some compartmented access that I don't go throwing
around even today.

Know there were a lot of strap hangers that rode in the wagon and
didn't help pull or push, just talked. A number of these were
associated with the RAND Corporation.

They would get a study contract and come back and say, "yes, one and
one are two" and the Air Force would pay them big money for their
'studied' report.

My grandfather could have done the same while smoking his pipe after
dinner using 'common sense'.

I haven't gone to the archives and looked at prior activities of BWB
but if they match what has shown up on r.a.h. lately and what others
have said about him, then I can get his clearances pulled if they are
still active.

I'm not making threats, just pointing out what can be done in the
system.

In this PC world today, it is easy to cut someone out of the pattern.


Yeah, well why don't you do that you ****ing asshole. Is that what
you are all about, ****ing with people's livelyhood's in the real
world over some cuss words on your ****ing computer. You ****ing Jack
off. I'd love to meet your sorry ass in the real world.

IT's feeble minded pricks like you that screw up the Air Force or any
other governement service. You rat *******. You belong in the Hitler
Nazi Youth corps. so you can turn in your parents.

Go ahead and threaten me you cock sucker. I'll even tell you where I
am and how to find me. I'd love nothing better than for your sorry
ass to show up on my doorstep.

Cock Sucker!

BW