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"B2431" wrote:
... How far were they prepared to go? If they had displayed the weapons in flight to prove they could do it it would be just as criminal, in my opinion, as telling a stewardess in flight you have a bomb even if you didn't. The are federal criminal laws which apply to air carrier and what is a weapon, and they apply to media doing undercover stunts. I know of no criminal law which says you cannot have a utility knife on board a charter aircraft. This flight could even have been Part 91. Is it now OK for some do-gooder to observe a passenger of ours who looks Middle Eastern and has an apparent large knife and odd stuff to put in the aircraft, and call the police? Because he appears to the citizen not to be known to you. If you say OK, they'll come out and ask a few questions and everything will be cool. But what if they surround you and your friend with drawn weapons? I'm not defending what NBC did, nor a big fan of the ACLU, and the FBO acted laudably. But unless there's a criminal law violated here, this incident shouldn't sound all that good to us pilots. Fred F. |
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Yep,
I think dem dar be sum sort of communist sympathizerz. Just Shoot'em. Seriously, I hope they do through the book at them, and pull their press passes permanently as a term of probation. A large civil fine would also be appropriate. I would like to see what NBC does with these guys if we can put them into a position wherre they can't do their jobs due to court order. Either NBC is out money to keep them around uselessly, or they fire them and all the other reporters get the idea that these stupid stunts ARE stupid. "Roger Halstead" wrote in message ... On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:18:54 GMT, "Cy Galley" wrote: Maybe, just maybe they will treat them like any one else trying the same stunt. They had potential weapons and could easily be infiltrators into the stations. They should be held with no bail on federal charges, and taken to court. Let the network defend them and if necessary pay the fines and let the bosses serve the time as accomplices for planning the jobs. I agree with the "throw the book at them". They certainly would were it some student or individual trying to show a weakness in the system. Besides any terrorist could claim they were just trying to expose any weaknesses. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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Pulling out knives or weapons during a flight and acting in a threatening
manner is a good way to get yourself killed. I would rather destroy the plane than let a terrorist have it. Once they start acting like terrorists, they're done. Any terrorist could later claim that he is really a reporter. Just like an NBC reporter, bringing a Leatherman tool to a gunfight. |
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"Roger Halstead" wrote in message
... I agree with the "throw the book at them". Gitmo?? Rich "Off with their heads!" S. |
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C J Campbell wrote:
Pulling out knives or weapons during a flight and acting in a threatening manner is a good way to get yourself killed. I would rather destroy the plane than let a terrorist have it. Once they start acting like terrorists, they're done. Any terrorist could later claim that he is really a reporter. Just like an NBC reporter, bringing a Leatherman tool to a gunfight. http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain You'd think they'd kneaux better than to mess with St. Louis rotor jockies... |
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TaxSrv wrote:
"B2431" wrote: ... How far were they prepared to go? If they had displayed the weapons in flight to prove they could do it it would be just as criminal, in my opinion, as telling a stewardess in flight you have a bomb even if you didn't. The are federal criminal laws which apply to air carrier and what is a weapon, and they apply to media doing undercover stunts. I know of no criminal law which says you cannot have a utility knife on board a charter aircraft. This flight could even have been Part 91. Is it now OK for some do-gooder to observe a passenger of ours who looks Middle Eastern and has an apparent large knife and odd stuff to put in the aircraft, and call the police? Because he appears to the citizen not to be known to you. It has always been OK to report suspicious behavior. If you say OK, they'll come out and ask a few questions and everything will be cool. But what if they surround you and your friend with drawn weapons? Well, I'm not a rocket scientist, but I'd suggest that you make no quick moves towards your pockets and that you do EXACTLY what they tell you to do. Is this really that hard to figure out? I'm not defending what NBC did, nor a big fan of the ACLU, and the FBO acted laudably. But unless there's a criminal law violated here, this incident shouldn't sound all that good to us pilots. Well, it sounds fantastic to this pilot. Matt |
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Hold them as detainees...no lawyer, no book, no freedom...
-- Dan D. http://www.ameritech.net/users/ddevillers/start.html .. "Roger Halstead" wrote in message ... On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:18:54 GMT, "Cy Galley" wrote: Maybe, just maybe they will treat them like any one else trying the same stunt. They had potential weapons and could easily be infiltrators into the stations. They should be held with no bail on federal charges, and taken to court. Let the network defend them and if necessary pay the fines and let the bosses serve the time as accomplices for planning the jobs. I agree with the "throw the book at them". They certainly would were it some student or individual trying to show a weakness in the system. Besides any terrorist could claim they were just trying to expose any weaknesses. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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These fools apparently did not know that helicopter skyjacking has
already been tried in Saint Louis a few years ago. Apparently some people there remember this. A skyjacker pulled a gun on Allen Barklage and wanted him to land a helicopter in a prison yard to make a pickup. Allen shot the skyjacker dead. How he did it is amazing since helicopters are an unstable beast and will try to go inverted and kill you in short order as soon as you turn loose of the cyclic. I think that the judge should make an example out of these people and their bosses so they do not try to skyjack an aircraft again. Just because ther are the "PRESS" does not mean they are above the law. John On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:43:16 -0500, Darrel Toepfer wrote: C J Campbell wrote: Pulling out knives or weapons during a flight and acting in a threatening manner is a good way to get yourself killed. I would rather destroy the plane than let a terrorist have it. Once they start acting like terrorists, they're done. Any terrorist could later claim that he is really a reporter. Just like an NBC reporter, bringing a Leatherman tool to a gunfight. http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain You'd think they'd kneaux better than to mess with St. Louis rotor jockies... |
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