Towing with a 150 hp Pawnee?

I would like to hear from anyone who has experience or expertise on the
subject of towing with a Piper Pawnee with a 150 hp engine. 150 hp
seems on the light side to me. It would be used in Central Texas (high
density altitude in the summer).

I've made over 1000 tows at the controls of a 150 HP Callair A-5 and Pawnee
150's (more with Callair than with the Pawnee). This was mostly done quite a
few years ago, and before I ever knew that tows weren't supposed to only
take 6 minutes! (Pawnee 235 style)..We then towed everything form SGS-119's
and Cherokee II's to 233's and Grob Twins....I don't know how many tows we
made off our 1800' grass runway and over the trees and power lines but a
few...those were more "tense" than off 2600' grass but we did them, usually
holding in ground effect until the very last moment to pull up and clear
then end of the runway.....and often got to see how the Robin babies were
dong in the nests....but we did them none the less..Tows were generally long
winded affairs but the 150 HP Pawnee and Callair are lighter than the 235 HP
tow plane varieties and they do tow...this was in western NY state and the
airport elevation was 1300 feet, I might not like it so well if I were in
Denver!
A couple years ago we had another 150 Pawnee for a short time and I did tow
again a K8 and a K7 with it and it was fine....but it was a big difference
from our current 235 Pawnee which IMHO is the overall very best tow plane
for all time......easy to fly, enough HP and generally easy on
maintenance..But the long and short of it is the 150 Pawnee is a joy to fly
as tractors go...will tow if you've got room, and if the density altitude
isn't too high .........and moreover, if you're not in a hurry.....the
Lycoming 0320 is an excellent engine (as aircraft engines go) and the 150
Pawnee can usually be had for under 15K (that's about 1/2 the price of
adding a motor to a glider!....) If it were for a start up club I'd say not
a bad idea......you'll need plenty of tow practice anyway so why rush it )
good luck
tim
Wings & Wheels
www.wingsandwheels.com


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I would like to hear from anyone who has experience or expertise on the
subject of towing with a Piper Pawnee with a 150 hp engine. 150 hp
seems on the light side to me. It would be used in Central Texas (high
density altitude in the summer).

At an altitude of 2833MSL, and at temperatures over 100F, on 3500ft paved
runway at almost 6000ft DA. I have been towed behind a 180HP Scout, not fun.
We currently have a PA-25-235, (converted to 250HP at last rebuild). Much
Much Better. Even on hot days with heavy gliders we can get 200ft AGL at the
far end of the runway.

Now that it is winter, one of our compatriots on the field is currently
towing with a C-150/150HP while his PA-25-235 goes through a rebuild. Not
very much fun, especially when towing his 2-32. We can do two tows to 4K AGL
and be starting our third tow, while he is just getting back from one 4K
tow.

B

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I would like to hear from anyone who has experience or expertise on the
subject of towing with a Piper Pawnee with a 150 hp engine. 150 hp
seems on the light side to me. It would be used in Central Texas (high
density altitude in the summer).

wrote:
I would like to hear from anyone who has experience or expertise on the
subject of towing with a Piper Pawnee with a 150 hp engine. 150 hp
seems on the light side to me. It would be used in Central Texas (high
density altitude in the summer).

My club in central Iowa had one back in the 80s. It was a marginal tow
plane at best. Hot humid days were worse and we have lots of runway.
If you've got nothing better and it's cheap what the heck. Just be
very careful and don't launch heavy gliders with knuckle heads at the
controls when the going gets tough.

Our 150 pawnee went up in a cloud of smoke but that was not due to lack
of horsepower. No one died and everyone was pretty much glad to see
go.

Matt Michael

wrote:
I would like to hear from anyone who has experience or expertise on the
subject of towing with a Piper Pawnee with a 150 hp engine. 150 hp
seems on the light side to me. It would be used in Central Texas (high
density altitude in the summer).

OK with long field though not as scary as 235 Pawnee zealots imply.
We're all getting spoiled with big engined tugs.
That said, when engine gets tired, put an O-360 in it and you will heve
quite a good tug.
We tow 2-33 with 2 in it to 2000 ft in just a hair over 4 minutes on
1.4 gallons a tow and 4 cylinders to maintain.
Good luck UH

wrote:
I would like to hear from anyone who has experience or expertise on the
subject of towing with a Piper Pawnee with a 150 hp engine. 150 hp
seems on the light side to me. It would be used in Central Texas (high
density altitude in the summer).