Shot at/Shot back

"Bob McKellar" wrote in message
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We keep bringing up presidents/candidates getting shot at (
"We" includes me, I confess ). But today a related issue
popped into my head.
snipped
Maybe I have forgotten something ( not an unusual event )
and maybe it is a silly thing to think about. However, I
think the experience of picking a particular human being and
blowing him away would have quite an effect on somebody.

Bob McKellar

I'll submit a name who came so close. Tied in vote total with Thomas
Jefferson he became vice president by decision of the House of Representives
but is probably most known for killing Alexander Hamilton in a duel. He
also served in the Revolutionary War.

Regards,

Tex houston

In message , "Tex Houston" wrote:

I'll submit a name who came so close. Tied in vote total with Thomas
Jefferson he became vice president by decision of the House of Representives
but is probably most known for killing Alexander Hamilton in a duel. He
also served in the Revolutionary War.

Yes, but Burr saw very little combat. The only action I can think he was in
was an attack on some British pickets during Henry Clinton's diversion into New
Jersey in September of 1777. Other than that, he served mostly as a staff
officer (though still officially LTC of Malcolm's Additional Regiment until it
was amalgamated with Grayson's [?] Additional. Of course, there were duels.
Jackson also fought duels.

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Regards,

Michael P. Reed

"Michael P. Reed" wrote in message
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In message , "Tex Houston" wrote:

I'll submit a name who came so close. Tied in vote total with Thomas
Jefferson he became vice president by decision of the House of
Representives
but is probably most known for killing Alexander Hamilton in a duel. He
also served in the Revolutionary War.

Yes, but Burr saw very little combat. The only action I can think he was
in
was an attack on some British pickets during Henry Clinton's diversion
into New
Jersey in September of 1777. Other than that, he served mostly as a staff
officer (though still officially LTC of Malcolm's Additional Regiment
until it
was amalgamated with Grayson's [?] Additional. Of course, there were
duels.
Jackson also fought duels.

--
Regards,

Michael P. Reed


burr was with arnold on the march to quebec and he was at monmouth . the
battles in the rev were so small that everybody was near the front .

In message fad2c.490588$na.1169191@attbi_s04, "raymond o'hara" wrote:

burr was with arnold on the march to quebec

This I had not known, though, according to Boatner, he probably served as a
volunteer.

and he was at monmouth .

Boatner claims that he commanded a brigade that was in action and that it
suffered a repulse. Interesting, but I remain sceptical. Burr was the LTC of
Malcom's Additional Regiment. Malcom, I do believe was detached (he appeared
to have spent most of his career away from his regiment) and was still in the
Highlands, though I do not know this for certain. The earliest information I
can find on him for 1778 in the Washington Papers is an order in late July
ordering him to take command of Fort Arnold at West Point. This is subsequent
to Monmouth and Washington's redeployment to the Highland's region. It is not
unlikely that Burr continued to command the regiment as he had done (for
certain) the previous winter. Malcom's Regiment was assigned to the Third
Pennsylvania Brigade (late Thomas Conway's) with the 3rd, 6th, 9th, 12th
Pennylvania, and Spencer's Additional Regiments. The 6th and 12th Regiments
were without colonels, and Burr was was senior in comparison. The 9th's
Colonel, Richard Butler, was detached to command one of the battalion
detachments of the Advance Corps (and saw quite extenseive action). The LTC of
that detachment was Rudolph Bunner from the 3rd Regiment, who was killed. That
left the 3rd and Spencer's Regiments. Oliver Spencer was definately in command
of his regiment a couple of months later, and Craig was likely present as well
as he was ordered detached (while at camp) only a few days after the battle.
If either both were present, then Burr would not have had command of the Third
Pennsylvania Brigade. The brigade may well have seen some action as it was
attached to Stirling's Left Wing. Alas, it Boatner has missed the boat, so to
speak, on so many other occassions it is difficulty to take any statement by
him without a huge dose of salt.

As an aside, it was Malcom's Regiment (while under Burr) which saw, AFAIK, the
only case of a soldier (in this case a LT) during the war to be courtmartialed
(and "dismissed with infamy) for committing, or attempting to commit, sodomy
(i.e. he tried to play hide the salomi with one of his men).

In an actual on topic reference, a detachment of Malcom's Regiment (sans Burr)
was present in the defense, and fall, of Fort Montgomery which led to the
direct loss of two Continental warships, including one of the newly built
frigates. N.B. that it was impossible for the British squadron to provide
naval gunfire support as the forts (inc. Fort Clinton) were positioned too high
up the bluffs, and the guns could not be elevated sufficiently.

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Regards,

Michael P. Reed

"Tex Houston" wrote in message
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"Bob McKellar" wrote in message
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We keep bringing up presidents/candidates getting shot at (
"We" includes me, I confess ). But today a related issue
popped into my head.
snipped
Maybe I have forgotten something ( not an unusual event )
and maybe it is a silly thing to think about. However, I
think the experience of picking a particular human being and
blowing him away would have quite an effect on somebody.

I'll submit a name who came so close. Tied in vote total with Thomas
Jefferson he became vice president by decision of the House of
Representives
but is probably most known for killing Alexander Hamilton in a duel. He
also served in the Revolutionary War.

Andrew Jackson commanded the Army of Tennessee at New Orleans in 1815 and
was censured during his first term for sport hunting bipeds. Persuit was
the specialty of the Army of Tennessee and he had to keep his dogs sharp.

"Tex Houston" wrote:

:"Bob McKellar" wrote in message
...
:
: We keep bringing up presidents/candidates getting shot at (
: "We" includes me, I confess ). But today a related issue
: popped into my head.
: snipped
: Maybe I have forgotten something ( not an unusual event )
: and maybe it is a silly thing to think about. However, I
: think the experience of picking a particular human being and
: blowing him away would have quite an effect on somebody.
:
:I'll submit a name who came so close. Tied in vote total with Thomas
:Jefferson he became vice president by decision of the House of Representives
:but is probably most known for killing Alexander Hamilton in a duel. He
:also served in the Revolutionary War.

Uh, wasn't that a bit longer than 75 years ago?

"Tex Houston" wrote in message
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"Bob McKellar" wrote in message
...

We keep bringing up presidents/candidates getting shot at (
"We" includes me, I confess ). But today a related issue
popped into my head.
snipped
Maybe I have forgotten something ( not an unusual event )
and maybe it is a silly thing to think about. However, I
think the experience of picking a particular human being and
blowing him away would have quite an effect on somebody.

Bob McKellar

I'll submit a name who came so close. Tied in vote total with Thomas
Jefferson he became vice president by decision of the House of Representives
but is probably most known for killing Alexander Hamilton in a duel. He
also served in the Revolutionary War.

Aaron Burr?

George Z.

Subject: (OT) Shot at/Shot back
From: "George Z. Bush" am
Date: 3/5/04 10:02 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Tied in vote total with Thomas
Jefferson he became vice president by decision of the House of
Representives
but is probably most known for killing Alexander Hamilton in a duel. He

I think he is better known for his part in the landmark Supreme Court case
Marbury V. Madison,(1804) a case which effects our lives to this day.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

On 06 Mar 2004 15:22:27 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

Subject: (OT) Shot at/Shot back
From: "George Z. Bush" am

Tied in vote total with Thomas
Jefferson he became vice president by decision of the House of
Representives
but is probably most known for killing Alexander Hamilton in a duel. He

I think he is better known for his part in the landmark Supreme Court case
Marbury V. Madison,(1804) a case which effects our lives to this day.

Arthur Kramer

Marbury v Madison?...and Aaron Burr? Nahh.

The players in the case were John Adams (who made the appointment to
Marbury), and John Marshall who should have delivered the appointment.
When Jefferson became president, he directed James Madison (who had
replaced Marshall) to not deliver the pending appointments so he could
reward his own supporters. Marbury sued Madison asking the courts to
issue a writ of mandamus to compel the executive branch to fulfill the
appointment of the previous president.

Marshall, now chief justice of the Supreme Court, took the opportunity
to institute the principal of judicial review, which had not been
spelled out in the Constitution--ruling that the courts could not
mandate the executive to act. That would be a violation of separation
of powers.

With that case, the idea that the Supreme Court could rule on
constitutionality of legislative and judicial acts was established.

But, no Burr involved as far as I know.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

Subject: (OT) Shot at/Shot back
From: Ed Rasimus
Date: 3/6/04 8:03 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

On 06 Mar 2004 15:22:27 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

Subject: (OT) Shot at/Shot back
From: "George Z. Bush" am

Tied in vote total with Thomas
Jefferson he became vice president by decision of the House of
Representives
but is probably most known for killing Alexander Hamilton in a duel. He

I think he is better known for his part in the landmark Supreme Court case
Marbury V. Madison,(1804) a case which effects our lives to this day.

Arthur Kramer

Marbury v Madison?...and Aaron Burr? Nahh.

The players in the case were John Adams (who made the appointment to
Marbury), and John Marshall who should have delivered the appointment.
When Jefferson became president, he directed James Madison (who had
replaced Marshall) to not deliver the pending appointments so he could
reward his own supporters. Marbury sued Madison asking the courts to
issue a writ of mandamus to compel the executive branch to fulfill the
appointment of the previous president.

Marshall, now chief justice of the Supreme Court, took the opportunity
to institute the principal of judicial review, which had not been
spelled out in the Constitution--ruling that the courts could not
mandate the executive to act. That would be a violation of separation
of powers.

With that case, the idea that the Supreme Court could rule on
constitutionality of legislative and judicial acts was established.

But, no Burr involved as far as I know.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

Exactly. Burr never involved.



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer