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Any opinions about this book about F-8s in Vietnam?
Actually, the F-4 had a higher kill ratio. It was a Navy F-4 that shot down
the first MIG and no F-8 guy ever achieved "ACE" status. Having posted that fact I must admit that most of us who flew the F-4 are not particularly fond of Randy "Airhead" Cunningham. And always remember, never forget, it was T.R. Swartz that shot down a MIG with an unguided 5" Zuni rocket while flying an A-4. Oh by the way, T.R. was a Demon Driver (although he is loathe to admit it!). If you don't know T.R. then you have never met a figher pilot. John "Mike Potter" wrote in message ... Has anyone looked at Osprey Publishing's book _F-8 Crusader Units of the Vietnam War_? Is it worth buying? The marketing description from http://www.ospreypublishing.com/titl...ser=COM&per=36 reads: F-8 Crusader Units of the Vietnam War US Price: $19.95 UK Price: £12.99 About this book Known to its pilots as the 'last of the gunfighters' due to its quartet of Colt-Browning Mk 12 20 mm cannon, the F-8 Crusader was numerically the most populous fighter in the US Navy at the start of America's involvement in the Vietnam conflict in 1964 – some 482 F-8C/D/Es equipped 17 frontline units. It enjoyed great success against North Vietnamese Mig-17s and Mig-21s during the Rolling Thunder campaign of 1965-68, officially downing 18 jets, which represented 53 per cent of all Mig claims lodged by Navy squadrons during this period. Contents # First Engagement # Setting Things Up # Making a War # Action in the Tonkin Gulf # War Begins in Ernest # MiG Killers # Assessing the Enemy # Beyond the MiGs # 'Leatherneck' Crusaders, 1965-68 # Final Word |
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"John Randolph" wrote in message news:%9oQa.6731$u51.954@fed1read05... Actually, the F-4 had a higher kill ratio. It was a Navy F-4 that shot down the first MIG and no F-8 guy ever achieved "ACE" status. Having posted that fact I must admit that most of us who flew the F-4 are not particularly fond of Randy "Airhead" Cunningham. I'm not particularly fond of him as a congressman. Why are you not fond of him as an F-4 pilot? And always remember, never forget, it was T.R. Swartz that shot down a MIG with an unguided 5" Zuni rocket while flying an A-4. Oh by the way, T.R. was a Demon Driver (although he is loathe to admit it!). If you don't know T.R. then you have never met a figher pilot. John "Mike Potter" wrote in message ... Has anyone looked at Osprey Publishing's book _F-8 Crusader Units of the Vietnam War_? Is it worth buying? The marketing description from http://www.ospreypublishing.com/titl...ser=COM&per=36 reads: F-8 Crusader Units of the Vietnam War US Price: $19.95 UK Price: £12.99 About this book Known to its pilots as the 'last of the gunfighters' due to its quartet of Colt-Browning Mk 12 20 mm cannon, the F-8 Crusader was numerically the most populous fighter in the US Navy at the start of America's involvement in the Vietnam conflict in 1964 - some 482 F-8C/D/Es equipped 17 frontline units. It enjoyed great success against North Vietnamese Mig-17s and Mig-21s during the Rolling Thunder campaign of 1965-68, officially downing 18 jets, which represented 53 per cent of all Mig claims lodged by Navy squadrons during this period. Contents # First Engagement # Setting Things Up # Making a War # Action in the Tonkin Gulf # War Begins in Ernest # MiG Killers # Assessing the Enemy # Beyond the MiGs # 'Leatherneck' Crusaders, 1965-68 # Final Word |
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Was the higher kill ratio due to the GIB, or in spite of him?
And then, there was the "Jets Are for Kids" real gunfight: http://skyraider.org/skyassn/sartape...ll/migkill.htm Rick -- My real e-mail address is: "John Randolph" wrote in message news:%9oQa.6731$u51.954@fed1read05... Actually, the F-4 had a higher kill ratio. It was a Navy F-4 that shot down the first MIG and no F-8 guy ever achieved "ACE" status. Having posted that fact I must admit that most of us who flew the F-4 are not particularly fond of Randy "Airhead" Cunningham. And always remember, never forget, it was T.R. Swartz that shot down a MIG with an unguided 5" Zuni rocket while flying an A-4. Oh by the way, T.R. was a Demon Driver (although he is loathe to admit it!). If you don't know T.R. then you have never met a figher pilot. John "Mike Potter" wrote in message ... Has anyone looked at Osprey Publishing's book _F-8 Crusader Units of the Vietnam War_? Is it worth buying? The marketing description from http://www.ospreypublishing.com/titl...ser=COM&per=36 reads: F-8 Crusader Units of the Vietnam War US Price: $19.95 UK Price: £12.99 About this book Known to its pilots as the 'last of the gunfighters' due to its quartet of Colt-Browning Mk 12 20 mm cannon, the F-8 Crusader was numerically the most populous fighter in the US Navy at the start of America's involvement in the Vietnam conflict in 1964 - some 482 F-8C/D/Es equipped 17 frontline units. It enjoyed great success against North Vietnamese Mig-17s and Mig-21s during the Rolling Thunder campaign of 1965-68, officially downing 18 jets, which represented 53 per cent of all Mig claims lodged by Navy squadrons during this period. Contents # First Engagement # Setting Things Up # Making a War # Action in the Tonkin Gulf # War Begins in Ernest # MiG Killers # Assessing the Enemy # Beyond the MiGs # 'Leatherneck' Crusaders, 1965-68 # Final Word |
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John Randolph wrote:
Actually, the F-4 had a higher kill ratio. Er, no. F-8, 6:1 (18:3). Navy F-4, 5.42:1 (38:7), mainly due to the 1972-73 sprint by Top Gun trained crews. Of course, these are our numbers, and probably include some overclaims as well as leave out some losses to MiGs that were attributed to other threats or unknown causes. Guy |
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Hmm... Your numbers are suspect. I'm off now to get mine. In the meantime
please verify. "Guy Alcala" wrote in message . .. John Randolph wrote: Actually, the F-4 had a higher kill ratio. Er, no. F-8, 6:1 (18:3). Navy F-4, 5.42:1 (38:7), mainly due to the 1972-73 sprint by Top Gun trained crews. Of course, these are our numbers, and probably include some overclaims as well as leave out some losses to MiGs that were attributed to other threats or unknown causes. Guy |
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Further research shows that the total (USAF + USN) MIG kill ration was 4:1.
Probably due to the fact that the F-8s were phased out midway through the conflict. "Guy Alcala" wrote in message . .. John Randolph wrote: Actually, the F-4 had a higher kill ratio. Er, no. F-8, 6:1 (18:3). Navy F-4, 5.42:1 (38:7), mainly due to the 1972-73 sprint by Top Gun trained crews. Of course, these are our numbers, and probably include some overclaims as well as leave out some losses to MiGs that were attributed to other threats or unknown causes. Guy |
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John Randolph wrote:
Hmm... Your numbers are suspect. I'm off now to get mine. In the meantime please verify. Taken from Nicholls' and Tillman's "On Yankee Station," the nearest concise source to hand. Nicholls probably got the numbers from the U.S.N.'s "Southeast Asia Statisical Summary." I could also dig them out of "Clashes" or "and Kill MiGs", but the results would be identical or nearly so. Guy |
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John Randolph wrote:
Further research shows that the total (USAF + USN) MIG kill ration was 4:1. Probably due to the fact that the F-8s were phased out midway through the conflict. Not phased out, just reduced opportunities. The F-8s continued to fly from SCB-27Cs until the end. BTW, USAF F-4 kill ratio for the war as a whole was 3.07:1 (107.5:35). Guy |
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