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Old May 25th 06, 06:18 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.misc
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OK so a question for the drivers with XM or other satellite WX. Do these
technologies graphically display TFR's on the display?

- Barney
"bob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Still haven't heard anything from the FSDO, but not much time has
passed. I'll post with whatever they eventually flog me with, but in
the meantime here's some comments on the comments:

Q. Why would NOTAMs on another frequency or AWOS be easier to check
than the current methods?
A. Current methods require one to check a web page or make a phone
call, an extra effort rather different from simply checking another
frequency. It's not so much the time involved, but the relatively
different task.

Q. Are there pilots that really check before EVERY flight?
A. Apparently so. And maybe I will join the ranks. But my computer
isn't on all the time and being Windoze takes a while to boot. Dialing
1-800-WX-BRIEF isn't difficult, maybe they could have a recording just
for major NOTAMs in the area (they already connect you to your regional
FSS station based on your calling phone number).

Q. Don't you check weather before every flight?
A. X-country, yes, local, no. It's a California thing I guess...ya
gotta live here a summer to understand.

Q. How would an email notification work, they don't know what airport
you're at?
A. Similar to AOPA's system, the FAA would setup a web page where
pilots voluntarily participating would submit their email address and
location (either state, zip code, or airport ID) and they would receive
emails for TFR and NOTAMs. This would help for the local flights where
many pilots don't get a briefing. The point being, no single method
will work, but an email notification system would be very cheap and
relatively effective for those participating. We might as well
recognize that for local VFR flights there are just a lot of pilots
that don't get briefings, so why not reduce the number of TFR
violations with a simple email system?

BTW, there's an interesting report about TFR violations at
http://www.volpe.dot.gov/opsad/docs/tfranalysis.pdf. Here's a
statistic that caught my eye: "...2900 violations in the two years
between June 2002 and June 2004 alone."

Obviously the current system isn't working well. Why not be practical
and implement additional notification methods to reduce the violation
rate?



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Old May 25th 06, 06:23 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.misc
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A Guy Called Tyketto wrote:



Can anyone on this list actually claim to check for TFRs for every
local flight in the pattern? Who would have known the VP was going to
be in Sac? He came stealth.


I'm like you, rarely check notams. When prez/vice prez are anywhere in
the state it's big news and you'll hear about it.



They really didn't say much about it on the news, if at all.



That's California, not Montana.

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Old May 25th 06, 06:27 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.misc
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Barney Rubble wrote:

OK so a question for the drivers with XM or other satellite WX. Do these
technologies graphically display TFR's on the display?


I have WSI downlinked weather and the first year with the system I
subscribed to the TFR package. Yes, the TFR was graphically displayed.

Given the fact that I fly more IFR than VFR, I decided the TFR add-on was
not worth the additional cost to me and didn't renew it the second year.
Someone flying a lot of VFR would certainly have a different opinion.

--
Peter
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Old May 25th 06, 06:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.misc
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Peter R. wrote:

Newps wrote:


I'm like you, rarely check notams. When prez/vice prez are anywhere in
the state it's big news and you'll hear about it.



Are there ever TFRs in Montana?


Sure. We are in a prime forest fire area. Fire TFR's are small,
usually a 5 mile radius around the fire and a few thousand feet agl.
Those TFR's are easy to avoid, just don't fly very low over smoke and
you won't have to worry about it. Cheney comes to Billings every August
from Jackson on AF2, he then hops on the Blackhawk or Chinook and flies
to Fort Smith for some trout fishing on the world famous Bighorn River.
There's a TFR here at the airport while he's actually here. They then
fly VFR in the helicopters to the river, 40 miles SE of BIL at about
1500 agl. There's a small TFR over the cabins they rent, 5 miles and a
few thousand feet I think. When the prez comes to Montana therre's only
about five places they will go and you'll hgere about it a week in
advance on the local news and in the paper. When Cheney is at his home
in JAC there will be F16's watching the TFR there. You'll occasionally
hear the F16 pilots over JAC here in the tower at BIL as they try to
contact the wayward spamcan pilot on 121.5 and shoo him away from the TFR.
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Old May 25th 06, 07:41 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.misc
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In article ,
Newps wrote:


I'm like you, rarely check notams. When prez/vice prez are anywhere in
the state it's big news and you'll hear about it.


There are reasons other than a political figure being in the area that
may cause a TFR to be up.
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Old May 25th 06, 07:45 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.misc
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"Barney Rubble" wrote in news:4475e76b$0$9421
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OK so a question for the drivers with XM or other satellite WX. Do these
technologies graphically display TFR's on the display?

- Barney



YES!!! (at least with the XM package).

The 396 shows the TFR's in red just like on this page:

And you can see the representation of your current position in relationship
to it.... (or restricted, or MOA, etc...). It also warns you when your
current corse is going to cause you to enter a TFR; Restricted, MOA, etc...

moving the "pointer" to the graphic of the area brings a "pop-up" of the
description of the TFR

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completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams
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Old May 25th 06, 07:58 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.misc
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"Ben Hallert" wrote in message
oups.com...
Yep, every flight. It might be a difference in culture between younger
pilots like myself and people who have been flying longer. I did all
of my flight training after 9/11, and I trained in the LA basin, which
is somewhat busy. As a result, there was a bigger emphasis on checking
this stuff than my pilot friends who learned earlier.


Perhaps. But I started flying in 2000, and every instructor I worked with
already emphasized that a briefing for each flight was required in order to
be safe and legal.

--Gary


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Old May 25th 06, 08:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.misc
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bob wrote:
1-800-WX-BRIEF isn't difficult, maybe they could have a recording just
for major NOTAMs in the area (they already connect you to your regional
FSS station based on your calling phone number).

Q. Don't you check weather before every flight?
A. X-country, yes, local, no. It's a California thing I guess...ya
gotta live here a summer to understand.


Remeber YOU control the briefing... you can request whatever info you
want.... standard, update, abreviated, outlook or just plain ask about
pertinent NOTAMS or TFRs.
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Old May 25th 06, 08:06 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.misc
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In article .com,
"bob" wrote:

Q. Are there pilots that really check before EVERY flight?


Are there pilots who really do a preflight and engine runup before EVERY
flight?

rg
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Old May 25th 06, 10:10 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.misc
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No one around to update the AWOS. That happens only once in a great
while. The weather part of the AWOS is talked automatically by machine,
so no one HAS to be there to update it. The "other" part of AWOS is
usually updated by someone like the airport manager, who doesn't want
to mess with it except every few months.

 




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