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Greg Hennessy wrote in message . ..
If TPTB were actually serious about providing the harrier with cannon and commonality of ammunition. A license built GSH-30 or 301 firing what the Rarden fires would be rather hard to argue against. An interesting idea, although I expect there would be problems. Apart from the fact that the 30x170 Rarden ammo is bigger than the 30x165 Russian, the Russian ammo is also very strongly made, with thick steel cases and the projectiles heavily crimped in, because it gets a violent battering in the fast-firing guns. The Rarden cartridge was specifically modified (from the Oerlikon KCB original) for use on the gentle, slow-firing, long-recoil gun, with soft brass cases...I think that retaining the 27mm Mauser would have been the best bet. I mean, they must have loads of them lying around doing nothing, now that the Tornado GR.4 has lost one. Quite. It was interesting to watch an interview with a Tornado pilot where he detailed having do gun passes in close support of friendlies during the recent Iraq conflict. Interesting - I hadn't heard about that. Do you have any details? Tony Williams Military gun and ammunition website: http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk Military gun and ammunition discussion forum: http://forums.delphiforums.com/autogun/messages/ |
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On 29 Jul 2003 08:24:23 -0700, (Tony
Williams) wrote: An interesting idea, although I expect there would be problems. Apart from the fact that the 30x170 Rarden ammo is bigger than the 30x165 Russian, True. From the pics on your site http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/30-2.jpg I wouldn't have thought there was much difference between the two in overall size though. A licensed gsh suitably modified would be firing a equivalently powered round. the Russian ammo is also very strongly made, with thick steel cases and the projectiles heavily crimped in, because it gets a violent battering in the fast-firing guns. also makes it pretty soldier proof in its other applications. The Rarden cartridge was specifically modified (from the Oerlikon KCB original) for use on the gentle, slow-firing, long-recoil gun, with soft brass cases. How does the case steel KCB case compare to the soviet round. IIRC the RN uses the KCB for hand trained AAA. On a side note did you ever find out what fired the 35x173 ? ..I think that retaining the 27mm Mauser would have been the best bet. I mean, they must have loads of them lying around doing nothing, now that the Tornado GR.4 has lost one. Which makes the whole saga not just baffling but stinks to high heavens. Surely its not beyond the whit of some smart type @ to provide harrier compatible podded carriage for the BK-27. Like how hard is it to borrow some alpha jet pods from the Luftwaffe and get some ideas. Quite. It was interesting to watch an interview with a Tornado pilot where he detailed having do gun passes in close support of friendlies during the recent Iraq conflict. Interesting - I hadn't heard about that. Do you have any details? Interview with 'tornado pilot' on IIRC sky news. Wasnt taking much notice until he said had to do strafing runs in support of troops somewhere round Basra. One wonders was he carpeted afterwards for politically inconvenient use of his cannon. I could have sworn the brass claiming that sort of thing didn't happen any more. greg -- $ReplyAddress =~ s#\@.*$##; # Delete everything after the '@' Alley Gator. With those hypnotic big green eyes Alley Gator. She'll make you 'fraid 'em She'll chew you up, ain't no lie |
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Greg Hennessy wrote in message . ..
On 29 Jul 2003 08:24:23 -0700, (Tony Williams) wrote: The Rarden cartridge was specifically modified (from the Oerlikon KCB original) for use on the gentle, slow-firing, long-recoil gun, with soft brass cases. How does the case steel KCB case compare to the soviet round. IIRC the RN uses the KCB for hand trained AAA. Yes, the RN still uses the KCB. The case is stronger than the brass one but the projectile isn't as well crimped-in as the Russian job. On a side note did you ever find out what fired the 35x173 ? Sadly, not. I like that cartridge and it could be an interesting offer in a suitably modified KCA. However, you have prompted me to send an enquiry to a gentleman in the USA who who has a 35mm and under research collection which I can only dream of... Quite. It was interesting to watch an interview with a Tornado pilot where he detailed having do gun passes in close support of friendlies during the recent Iraq conflict. Interesting - I hadn't heard about that. Do you have any details? Interview with 'tornado pilot' on IIRC sky news. Wasnt taking much notice until he said had to do strafing runs in support of troops somewhere round Basra. One wonders was he carpeted afterwards for politically inconvenient use of his cannon. I could have sworn the brass claiming that sort of thing didn't happen any more. Well, I know the US planes did some strafing but I hadn't heard that Tornados had. Interesting... Tony Williams: Military gun and ammunition website and Discussion forum |
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(Tony Williams) wrote:
Revolver cannon are very tricky to get working properly, with precise ignition timing being essential. The 25x137 ammo is of course percussion-primed, whereas the ammo for all other revolvers has used the more precise electric priming, which does make me wonder if they were tackling an impossible job. Are revolver cannon systems not compatible with electrical primer ignition ? It seems like a lot of trouble just for a specific round... ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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