Avgas is cheap

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:



ASJ wrote:

Who pays over $2 for 100ll?? Geez.

Everybody who buys it within a hundred miles or so of Old Bridge, NJ. I haven't
been further away than that in some time now.

George Patterson
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
you look forward to the trip.

I was skiing in Vail,CO for the first two weeks of Feb, and thought
the $1.85 was a result of the remoteness. Alamo at DIA were charging
$1.45, did the price really go this mad in the last two weeks ??
Colin.

I was only trying to dispell the idea that the oil company was making the
difference.

Mike
MU-2


"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
link.net...
How much of that $4.55 is the FBO making? Here in the US, the FBO
markup
is
much larger than the refining margin.

And what other taxes/fees does it include?

Why do our capitalistic FBO's charge as little as $2.00-2.50 a gallon,
whilr
Julian's charge $7.70?

WRT MoGas, the refiners do all the work and make about $0.12-0.18 a
gallon,
while the states and feds make $0.38-0.45 a gallon (for a stroke of the
pen).


Mike
MU-2


"Julian Scarfe" wrote in message
news:zr60c.605$GQ.303@newsfe1-win...
Interesting. Here in the UK, we're paying about $7.70 per gallon for
100LL.

About $1.15 is sales tax levied on almost all goods.
About $2.00 is the excise duty on Avgas.

That leaves $4.55 per gallon, which is more than twice the price John
paid,
according to his original post. Why is the price so high? Because
the
oil
companies can get away with it. I think you call that "capitalism",
don't
you?

Julian Scarfe


"Dennis O'Connor" wrote in message
...
Kees, have you folks ever thought about a bit of an armed rebellion
to
cure
this? It does tend to work - reference the secession of the
American
Colonies from Great Britain, circa 1770's for details on how...

OK - pulling my tongue out of my cheek - your example of strangling
gasoline
prices is is exactly why the "isms" all fail... Communism has
fallen...
Socialism in Europe will survive perhaps another one or two
generations,
three at the most, and you then either collapse into endless poverty
with
a
whimper or another Strong Man will take center stage and arouse the
masses
with bellowing about enemies to the east, enemies to the west, the
machinations of jews/capitalists/catholics/etc., and seize power and
then
Europe will be back in the grip of it's historic leader, a
dictator/king...

Unfortunately, the disease of socialism is spreading in the USA,
also...
sigh It has been a glorious ride, this mix of democracy and
capitalism
these past 231 years... It is a shame to seethat the rot of
socialism
has
it
now doomed...
denny

"Kees Mies" wrote in message As other
posters
mentioned prices can differ locally.
This morning I filled my van for $5.34/gallon unleaded.
Last time, about a month ago, I bought 100LL for $8.83/gallon.
BTW, this is the Netherlands, sigh.
And we have landing fees too, another sigh.

Colin wrote:

I was skiing in Vail,CO for the first two weeks of Feb, and thought
the $1.85 was a result of the remoteness. Alamo at DIA were charging
$1.45, did the price really go this mad in the last two weeks ??

Avgas has been steadily going up for several years around here. It's been more
than $2/gallon at Old Bridge for at least two years now. If you pay by cash or
check, the price at Old Bridge is one of the more reasonable in the area within
50 miles or so.

George Patterson
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
you look forward to the trip.

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
hlink.net...
I was only trying to dispell the idea that the oil company was making the
difference.


I realize that...I should have addressed the question to Julian, rather than
your response to him, since he's the one making the claim without knowing
the price breakdown.


"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
link.net...
How much of that $4.55 is the FBO making? Here in the US, the FBO
markup
is
much larger than the refining margin.

And what other taxes/fees does it include?

Why do our capitalistic FBO's charge as little as $2.00-2.50 a gallon,
whilr
Julian's charge $7.70?

WRT MoGas, the refiners do all the work and make about $0.12-0.18 a
gallon,
while the states and feds make $0.38-0.45 a gallon (for a stroke of the
pen).


Mike
MU-2


"Julian Scarfe" wrote in message
news:zr60c.605$GQ.303@newsfe1-win...
Interesting. Here in the UK, we're paying about $7.70 per gallon
for
100LL.

About $1.15 is sales tax levied on almost all goods.
About $2.00 is the excise duty on Avgas.

That leaves $4.55 per gallon, which is more than twice the price
John
paid,
according to his original post. Why is the price so high? Because
the
oil
companies can get away with it. I think you call that "capitalism",
don't
you?

Julian Scarfe


"Dennis O'Connor" wrote in message
...
Kees, have you folks ever thought about a bit of an armed
rebellion
to
cure
this? It does tend to work - reference the secession of the
American
Colonies from Great Britain, circa 1770's for details on how...

OK - pulling my tongue out of my cheek - your example of
strangling
gasoline
prices is is exactly why the "isms" all fail... Communism has
fallen...
Socialism in Europe will survive perhaps another one or two
generations,
three at the most, and you then either collapse into endless
poverty
with
a
whimper or another Strong Man will take center stage and arouse
the
masses
with bellowing about enemies to the east, enemies to the west, the
machinations of jews/capitalists/catholics/etc., and seize power
and
then
Europe will be back in the grip of it's historic leader, a
dictator/king...

Unfortunately, the disease of socialism is spreading in the USA,
also...
sigh It has been a glorious ride, this mix of democracy and
capitalism
these past 231 years... It is a shame to seethat the rot of
socialism
has
it
now doomed...
denny

"Kees Mies" wrote in message As other
posters
mentioned prices can differ locally.
This morning I filled my van for $5.34/gallon unleaded.
Last time, about a month ago, I bought 100LL for $8.83/gallon.
BTW, this is the Netherlands, sigh.
And we have landing fees too, another sigh.

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
link.net...
How much of that $4.55 is the FBO making? Here in the US, the FBO markup
is
much larger than the refining margin.

I don't know. I imagine it's not much. But either way, the point is simply
that the much smaller aviation market here for Avgas drives up prices.

Julian

"Julian Scarfe" wrote in message
newsZX0c.2199$GQ.2184@newsfe1-win...
"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
link.net...
How much of that $4.55 is the FBO making? Here in the US, the FBO
markup
is
much larger than the refining margin.

I don't know. I imagine it's not much. But either way, the point is
simply
that the much smaller aviation market here for Avgas drives up prices.

Not to mention the tax man.

In the US it is common for FBOs to mark up fuel $1-2 and sometimes even more
at the large airports.

Mike
MU-2

"Julian Scarfe" wrote in message
newsZX0c.2199$GQ.2184@newsfe1-win...
"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
link.net...
How much of that $4.55 is the FBO making? Here in the US, the FBO
markup
is
much larger than the refining margin.

I don't know. I imagine it's not much. But either way, the point is
simply
that the much smaller aviation market here for Avgas drives up prices.

Julian

ASJ wrote in message ...
Cub Driver wrote:


$2.06/gal 100LL. What's wrong with this picture?

Nothing's wrong with it. Your FBO just doesn't fill the tank very
often.


You mean I should get a load of gas while it's still $1.89 (C03-100ll)
around here?

We have an airport near Sacramento that only gets a load of gas every
couple months. As a result their prices are sometimes WAY less than
everyone else. People will fly in to buy gas there.

Who pays over $2 for 100ll?? Geez.

At the larger airports I've never paid less than $3. I think I paid
$3.20 at ABQ last time I was there. SBA is usually worse than that.
TUS is strangely not expensive though...


-Robert

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
hlink.net...
In the US it is common for FBOs to mark up fuel $1-2 and sometimes even
more
at the large airports.

Kinder like other merchants in high-rent district.

Look at AirNav sometime when you do a search for "Fuel prices in the
Area" -- within 50 miles of one airport, fuel can go from $1.80 a gallon all
the way to $3.50. Denver area, for example -- DIA to FTG is only 5 miles but
fuel is nearly double. Of course, the rent at DIA is _substantially higher_
(and APA as well) than FTG.

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
om...

Who pays over $2 for 100ll?? Geez.

At the larger airports I've never paid less than $3. I think I paid
$3.20 at ABQ last time I was there. SBA is usually worse than that.
TUS is strangely not expensive though...

DIA and APA near Denver are well over $3.00, but COS (Colo Springs) is well
below $2 (for Jet-A).