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On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 18:20:13 GMT, George Patterson
wrote in x5OIe.27$f.11@trndny09:: Larry Dighera wrote: It seems that the issue of the FAA closing the 2,000 square mile airspace around DC is capable of generating a lot of heat among the pilot community. Let's try to see if we can use this forum to generate some light, and mount an effective opposition to the FAA's NPRM: http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...4adiz-nprm.pdf Not only that, but pull out the sections on how much this is going to cost the FAA and hand that out to your aquaintances outside the aviation community. Perhaps something along the lines of "their taxes" going to pay for Congresscritters' cowardice and "feel-good" efforts would be in order. Right. Now you're thinking along productive lines. The NPRM is a rich source of information that can be used to make our case. Perhaps each of us should take a section of it, and propose comments about it that bolster our case. |
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On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:45:39 GMT, Jose
wrote in :: Suppose pilots boycotted DC? Not us spam cans, but bizjet pilots, airline pilots and such... the ones that carry the Important People. Civil disobedience isn't the best route for us at this time in the NPRM process. We need to provide astute arguments that will dissuade the FAA from adopting the permanent closure of 2,000 square miles of airspace first. |
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On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 20:30:54 GMT, Jose
wrote in :: You don't have to be under the ADIZ to be affected by it. Right. If adopted, permanent closure of 2,000 square miles of airspace will set a precedent for additional closures in the future. |
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On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 13:06:32 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wr.giacona@coxDOTnet wrote in HUNIe.3569$_t.1366@okepread01:: Ha good luck with that request. Umm.. I see what you mean. Disappointing. :-( |
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You don't have to be under the ADIZ to be affected by it.
You don't have to be affected by it to be offended by it either. I am encouraged to hear both sentiments. Another thing I'd like to mention is the sometimes effective strategy of calling one's congressman. The FAA does have to answer to congress, and at times, if a group puts enough pressure on enough represenatives, change can occur. -BC |
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How does it affect me in Eastern Oregon?
Terry "Jose" wrote in message ... For some reason, I had assumed (wrongly, I guess), that most of the people involved in this discussion where also in ADIZ and were thus annoyed by this proposal. You don't have to be under the ADIZ to be affected by it. Jose -- Quantum Mechanics is like this: God =does= play dice with the universe, except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no universe. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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Fair enough. But how will your "attitude" prevail when Congress, the FAA,
CIA, TSA and Secret Service won't listen to you? And furthermore, why is it an "attitude" when one has a view opposing yours? It appears to me that the AOPA (no matter how many of us join) is toothless and can't even win the minor skirmishes like Meigs. I am just saying, we need to fight the battles we can win, and we can't win the battle of the District of Columbia. Now if you think that is just a "bad attitude," so be it. Terry "Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:35:07 -0700, "Terry Briggs" wrote in :: Sadly, I have come to the conclusion that it is hopeless to fight battles like the Washington area ADIZ. With such an attitude, you can be _assured_ that your view will not prevail. Given the fact that the FAA must address the points raised during the NPRM comment period, each idea submitted in opposition to the NOPR must be rationally explained away or adopted. This issue isn't really about the number of pilots at this point in the process. |
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I am still lost on who is going to listen to your presentation, agree with
it, and take action that you will like. Now, if you still think that is just an "attitude" problem that I have, come on back after you have pounded your head against that brick wall. Terry "Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 18:20:13 GMT, George Patterson wrote in x5OIe.27$f.11@trndny09:: Larry Dighera wrote: It seems that the issue of the FAA closing the 2,000 square mile airspace around DC is capable of generating a lot of heat among the pilot community. Let's try to see if we can use this forum to generate some light, and mount an effective opposition to the FAA's NPRM: http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...4adiz-nprm.pdf Not only that, but pull out the sections on how much this is going to cost the FAA and hand that out to your aquaintances outside the aviation community. Perhaps something along the lines of "their taxes" going to pay for Congresscritters' cowardice and "feel-good" efforts would be in order. Right. Now you're thinking along productive lines. The NPRM is a rich source of information that can be used to make our case. Perhaps each of us should take a section of it, and propose comments about it that bolster our case. |
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How does [the DC ADIZ] affect me in Eastern Oregon?
1: If you ever fly out here, you won't be able to fly in there. I live in the Northeast, but have friends on the west coast, and will indeed be flying up and down the Pacific coast in a light GA airplane. You may well find yourself visiting friends on the East coast and flying up and down the seaboard similarly. 2: Every thousand square miles of successful restriction makes it easier to restrict another thousand square miles. Maybe some of them will be in Eastern Oregon. Or Western Oregon (where you are likely to fly to). Or Seattle. If Bill Gates wants to protect the Microsoft Campus from terrorist attacks in a 150, he is likely to have considerable influence over that airspace. Right now he won't have enough to close Seattle, but the DC Restricted Area will play right into his hands. (I'll refrain from attempting to decide which is better for the country - a terrorist attack on DC or a terrorist attack on Redmond 3: The successful implementation of restrictions such as this one further convinces the public that such restrictions are for the good of the country, and that these little airplanes are dangerous, especially when they fly around with no oversight whatsoever. This makes it easy to pass more restrictive regulations on all flight - such as having all nighttime VFR flights require a flight plan. Or all flights requring radio contact with controllers. Or anything else you can imagine. It amplifies the effect of such antics as the drunk stealing an airplane from Danbury CT and flying at night into Weschester. 4: You might move East. More ironic things have happened. There are more reasons, but the point is that the loss of freedoms is like a Boa Constrictor. It happens little by little, unnoticed, until you finally pass out and wonder how it happened. Jose -- Quantum Mechanics is like this: God =does= play dice with the universe, except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no universe. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 15:11:10 -0700, "Terry Briggs"
wrote in :: And furthermore, why is it an "attitude" when one has a view opposing yours? It's not about agreeing or disagreeing. It's about not making the attempt to succeed that assures defeat. |
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