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Andreas,
are they still using the ASW 25 airfoil on the EB 29? Udo On Nov 3, 10:22*am, Andreas Maurer wrote: On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:15:29 -0800, ZZ wrote: I am a 20B owner but I have to agree...the 22 has it beat *Second is the ASW17, third is the Kestrel 17. If you like the 17 and the 22... check out the new Binder EB-29 - its fuselage is a combination of the 17 and a T-tail. Not to mention the nice aspect ratio of 51... http://www.binder-flugmotorenbau.de/eb29.html Bye Andreas |
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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:27:44 -0800 (PST), Udo wrote:
Andreas, are they still using the ASW 25 airfoil on the EB 29? Udo Hi Udo, I don't think so - the wing (same as EB-28) is said to be completely new (it's got a different planform than the ASH-25 wing, the airbrakes being on the inner wing) and each part of the wing is significantly lighter than on the 25. It's interesting that the roll rate of the EB-28 is nearly twice as fast as on the ASH-25, despite its larger wing span. However, the main advantage of the EB-28 was/is its higher wing loading compared to a stock ASH-25 - since the much smaller ASH-31 is not significantly inferior to the current open class gliders I dare to predict that the EB-29's airfoils are slightly inferior to th latest Schleicher airfoils used on the ASG-29, ASH-310 and ASH-31. On the other hand... aspect ratio and wing loading rulez - and this is where the EB-29 excels. Exciting times if you happen to need to invest 400.000 bucks... Bye Andreas |
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People think I'm crazy when I say the PW-5 is the most beautiful
sailplane in the world. What they don't realize is that I mean a PW-5 with long blond hair. |
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On 1 Nov., 19:02, glider wrote:
This is a test to see if it works. *Abnd it's end of season, so we need to know if the Minimoa or the ASW-20 is best looking sailplane. Maybe the DG-800? Seems to me we've been here before; and, of course, the answer remains unchanged: the 1937 DFS Reiher. It's the Penelope Cruz of sailplanes. http://vintagesailplanes.de/REIHER.HTM The that settled it once and for all! Bo Brunsgaard |
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On Nov 3, 3:07*pm, wrote:
People think I'm crazy when I say the PW-5 is the most beautiful sailplane in the world. *What they don't realize is that I mean a PW-5 with long blond hair. Would you mind explaining that?? |
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On Nov 15, 9:28*am, wrote:
On 1 Nov., 19:02, glider wrote: This is a test to see if it works. *Abnd it's end of season, so we need to know if the Minimoa or the ASW-20 is best looking sailplane. Maybe the DG-800? Seems to me we've been here before; and, of course, the answer remains unchanged: the 1937 DFS Reiher. It's the Penelope Cruz of sailplanes. http://vintagesailplanes.de/REIHER.HTM The that settled it once and for all! Bo Brunsgaard My vote is for the 1937 DFS Reiher, hands down, but post WW2 Libelle! FreeFlight |
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The most beautiful sailplane
might be one you've only seen pictures of, one you own or have lusted after, or one that triggers certain memories. Then there's "striking" (almost any Open Class glider) vs. "beautiful". There's pure superficial beauty vs. the whole package. There's timeless beauty vs. the latest look. And so on. I agree the ASW 20 is one of the most beautiful sailplanes ever created. Subsequent single-seat models--ASW 24 (what I've flown for the past 18 years), ASW 27 & ASG 29--are very pretty. But to me, the most beautiful sailplane is the one I grew up seeing in person at our local Midwestern USA contests and in photos: Len Neimi's Sisu 1A. Alex Aldott's pic of world free distance holder Al Parker's Sisu stood up on one wingtip under a Texas sky still gives me chills whenever I see it. I've always regretted that V-tails went out of style. Of course, I never had to launch or land with one. Chip Bearden ASW 24 "JB" USA |
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Chip, Taking off and landing a sailplane with a V tail is pretty much like taking off and landing a sailplane with a T tail. Maybe not quite the rudder authority at the end of a landing in a high cross wind, but nothing dangerous that I have noticed. It is an interesting story as to why V tails went out of favor, at least one of the reasons. Ross Nolan shared the following link on the HP glider Yahoo group. http://glidebarambah.thehorseyard.ne...sholighaus.pdf Mike I agree the ASW 20 is one of the most beautiful sailplanes ever created. Subsequent single-seat models--ASW 24 (what I've flown for the past 18 years), ASW 27 & ASG 29--are very pretty. But to me, the most beautiful sailplane is the one I grew up seeing in person at our local Midwestern USA contests and in photos: Len Neimi's Sisu 1A. Alex Aldott's pic of world free distance holder Al Parker's Sisu stood up on one wingtip under a Texas sky still gives me chills whenever I see it. I've always regretted that V-tails went out of style. Of course, I never had to launch or land with one. Chip Bearden ASW 24 "JB" USA |
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-snip- Len Neimi's Sisu 1A. Alex Aldott's pic of world free distance holder Al Parker's Sisu stood up on one wingtip under a Texas sky still gives me chills whenever I see it. I've always regretted that V-tails went out of style. Of course, I never had to launch or land with one. Chip Bearden ASW 24 "JB" USA Not all V tails are created equal... The Sisu had plenty of simultaneous elevator and rudder authority and if you were put in it blindfolded and flew it you would never suspect it wasn't a T- at any phase of flight. The same can't be said for most others though... Chip, I entirely agree that the pic of Al doing a hammerhead in his ship is THE quintessential encapsulation of beauty in the form of a sailplane. I didn't throw that out there in this thread as I am obviously jaded. -Paul Hanson Sisu 1a, s/n 101, N6390X |
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On Nov 17, 5:26*pm, sisu1a wrote:
-snip- Len Neimi's Sisu 1A. Alex Aldott's pic of world free distance holder Al Parker's Sisu stood up on one wingtip under a Texas sky still gives me chills whenever I see it. I've always regretted that V-tails went out of style. Of course, I never had to launch or land with one. Chip Bearden ASW 24 "JB" USA Not all V tails are created equal... The Sisu had plenty of simultaneous elevator and rudder authority and if you were put in it blindfolded and flew it you would never suspect it wasn't a T- at any phase of flight. The same can't be said for most others though... Chip, I entirely agree that the pic of Al doing a hammerhead in his ship is THE quintessential encapsulation of beauty in the form of a sailplane. I didn't throw that out there in this thread as I am obviously jaded. -Paul Hanson Sisu 1a, s/n 101, N6390X & for those who haven't seen that shot yet... http://bauerairgroup.com/yahoo_site_...a.54235740.jpg |
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