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"Red" wrote:
The R.O.E. will always require visual I.D. Why? Because somewhere there is always someone with stars on his colar, (or who wants stars on his colar) that is deathly afraid that someone will screw-up. Sure, so long as we face only severely overmatched, day-only, VFR-only adversaries. Heck, we could probably have won every air battle since WWII with ROE that permitted only pole arms, brickbats, and claws. (None o' that namby-pamby stuff at hundreds of yards--ya gotta see the blood flow. Pass me that there halberd and pop open the canopy!) It was a sad joke in the late '80s, when we were flying 50% of our hours at night, and the WWNam veterans who provided our Adult Supervision still trained on the assumption that we'd never *really* get BVR clearance. We'd always be driving around in two-ships, perhaps working up our ratios to 2:1 or so. Anything more complicated than a bracket violated KISS. Perhaps it was a self-fulfilling prophecy for the Tomcats in the first Gulf War. Let the Air Force do all the shooting, and there are fewer Navy blue-on-blues! Meanwhile, we'll just CAP against the contingency of an intervention from Mars. However, there is one great advantage of 20MM contact-fuzed shells, which still warrants putting them on combat jets. Unbeatable ECCM! |
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Walt BJ wrote:
(Pechs1) wrote in message ... But to answer the question- As an aside, what are the thoughts of those who have been in combat? Snip: I've been there and until someone comes up with a genuine Buck Rogers disintegrator ray or plasma blaster or whatever I'd still want a gun. Walt BJ I'll bet those Iraqi helicopters looked pretty disintegrated after the GAU-8 was done with them. Joe -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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Aw, gee, OJ, it was just a case of a (serious) memory failure. But
truthfully, I am a wee bit sensitive about RS MacNamara. So sorry if you are offended. I'm not sure whether I believe in a devil; but I've come to regard money rather highly. Seem to have what I need, but not as much of it as I want. In any event, I am grateful for all the corrections offered to my erroneous portion of my post, which in contrast to some, was not offered in a mean or spiteful spirit. "Ogden Johnson III" wrote in message ... "Jake Donovan" wrote: SNIP Shame on you Jake. How *dare* you bring up facts when Lawrence Dillard is on a roll? Obviously, Larry considers Robert McNamara to be third only to the Devil and love of money as the Root of All That Is Evil In The World. OJ III |
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"Thomas Schoene" wrote in message link.net...
"Eric Moore" wrote in message om Have they decided what kind of gun the F-35 will have? Apparently the GAU-12/U 25mm Gatling, in place of the Bk27 27mm revolver cannon originally planned. The Air Force gets an internal fitting; the others have bolt-on versions of some sort or other. I've seen mention of pods in one of the weapon bays or a conformal gun pack on a centerline station. I really hope it's the latter. BTW, the selection of GAU-12 is confirmed in this newsletter (pg 2). http://www.lmaeronautics.com/product...-35JSFTeam03Su m.pdf Why didn't they go with the Mauser Bk-27? Cost escalation? Technical problems? |
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"Lawrence Dillard" wrote:
Aw, gee, OJ, it was just a case of a (serious) memory failure. But truthfully, I am a wee bit sensitive about RS MacNamara. So sorry if you are offended. Not offended. It was more bemoaning the distance of time since I was a hormone-ridden teen-ager, spending my HS years in the DC area and actually paying attention to things like politics and the military - being an Army/USMC brat as it were. I knew when the USAF jumped in on the F4 and why, and that it preceded McNamara's ascent. I'm not sure whether I believe in a devil; but I've come to regard money rather highly. Seem to have what I need, but not as much of it as I want. In any event, I am grateful for all the corrections offered to my erroneous portion of my post, which in contrast to some, was not offered in a mean or spiteful spirit. Mine was just an attempt to make you realize that McNamara was by no means the most despicable person ever to have served as a President's cabinet member. That characterization is reserved to Josephus Daniels. Sorry if it came off as mean and/or spiteful. OJ III |
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OJ,
Mine was just an attempt to make you realize that McNamara was by no means the most despicable person ever to have served as a President's cabinet member. That characterization is reserved to Josephus Daniels. Is this a reference to the infamous General Order 19 - the Prohibition-inspired directive that Daniels promulgated to do away with the Demon Rum on shipboard? (Never completely worked, though. Many of us will attest to discrete sessions in certain staterooms with the hair of the dog.) Of course, without GO-19 and its successors the Brits / Aussies / etc. wouldn't be able to play the great game of "Get The Yank Drunk" during our visits to their wardrooms. g Owl sends. -- Mike Kanze 436 Greenbrier Road Half Moon Bay, California 94019-2259 USA 650-726-7890 "Vegetarian (vej ' i tār ' ee en), n. Amerindian term meaning "lousy hunter". "Ogden Johnson III" wrote in message ... [rest snipped] |
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Is there any reason why a SUU23 gun pod wouldn't work on any Navy
aircraft weapons station that can take a MER? Walt BJ |
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Slightly off track but consonant with earlier comments:
Ogden, Josephus Daniels did bad things to the Navy. No booze (officially)is one item. The infamous Robert S MacNamara still rankles me more than anyone in recent history. I was reading 'Yankee Station' where the author was discussing RM and I suddenly became conscious my jaw was aching. Then I discovered I was grinding my teeth at reading the same complaints about RM, from a carrier pilot, that we had in the USAF. What a jerk RM is. Walt BJ |
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walt- Is there any reason why a SUU23 gun pod wouldn't work on any Navy
aircraft weapons station that can take a MER? BRBR 2000 pound item, poor reliability, worse boresighting. When I flew with them in the 61st TFS, we said that they wouldn't even hit the nose gear if it were down, they were so poorly boresighted and bent up. But it should go onto any hardpoint that would take a dropable weapon, and some SUU-23s were!!! I would hope the military has a better pgun pod now. P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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