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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:54:08 GMT, zatatime wrote:
There are indeed private fields in NJ. Of course they may pre-date the ordinance quoted. Private airfields / strips, or just regular farm fields? Is there a difference? All I know is that I landed on runways that weren't public-use airfields. They weren't pastures, if that's what you mean. One of them had a hangar and a windsock and a mowed strip; I believe that that was a public-use airfield in the process of going private. The others were more basic, but all were mowed and clearly visible as runways from the air, and were used regularly by their owners and their friends. all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com the blog www.danford.net |
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:29:44 -0500, Dana M. Hague
d(dash)m(dash)hague(at)comcast(dot)net wrote: I can't provide a statute, but around 20 years ago while flying the "slot" I emergency landed my T-Craft on a Hudson River pier (in Weehawken, on the Jersey side). The emergency landing was OK as far as both the FAA and state were concerned, but I got in all sorts of trouble when I flew it out again the next day There's a closed army air field not far from Boston. Friend of a friend landed there when he had engine trouble. He was required to dissasemble the aircraft and truck it out of there; wasn't permitted to take off. all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com the blog www.danford.net |
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:51:17 GMT, zatatime wrote:
(Does Damian use any places to land other than approved landing facilities for his other program? He'd know enough farmers out there that he would if he could, and it might shed some light on the original statement above.) As posted, we landed on private land. It's possible that these private runways were approved by some authority or other. One such could have been a farmer's field. The others were regularly used by their owners as runways, including a strip on a fairly steep hill. all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com the blog www.danford.net |
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Cub Driver wrote: As posted, we landed on private land. It's possible that these private runways were approved by some authority or other. One such could have been a farmer's field. The others were regularly used by their owners as runways, including a strip on a fairly steep hill. They might have fallen under the exception(s) alluded to in the statute: "except as provided for by the provisions of this chapter and the rules, regulations and orders adopted pursuant to this chapter, " Does anyone know where to look for those? -- FF |
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ups.com... They might have fallen under the exception(s) alluded to in the statute: "except as provided for by the provisions of this chapter and the rules, regulations and orders adopted pursuant to this chapter, " Does anyone know where to look for those? Sorry. This was undoubtedly written by lawyers - one of whom you must now pay to interpret. Rich S. |
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"Rich S." wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... They might have fallen under the exception(s) alluded to in the statute: "except as provided for by the provisions of this chapter and the rules, regulations and orders adopted pursuant to this chapter, " Does anyone know where to look for those? Sorry. This was undoubtedly written by lawyers - one of whom you must now pay to interpret. Rich S. Well, Richie-Pooh, is suffering from the dark negativism of hysterical melancholia today, so I'll tell you how to find them. You get the book of statutes and look at the whole chapter, which will be indexed. A statute will often refer to another statute and so on, so you read all of them until you get a general understanding of the legislative policy of that state on the specific topic you're interested in. Many non-lawyers read and understand statutes as well as or better than lawyers do. There will also be references to judicial opinions, attorney general opinions, and administrative rules on the pages following the statutes you are looking at. This is true with regard to the statutes in any state I'm familiar with. If you can't find those statutes on the net, go to a law library. At the University of Tennessee College of Law library in Knoxville the last I looked there were codes of laws of just about every state in the USA, in bound volumes. |
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wrote in message ups.com... Cub Driver wrote: As posted, we landed on private land. It's possible that these private runways were approved by some authority or other. One such could have been a farmer's field. The others were regularly used by their owners as runways, including a strip on a fairly steep hill. They might have fallen under the exception(s) alluded to in the statute: "except as provided for by the provisions of this chapter and the rules, regulations and orders adopted pursuant to this chapter, " Does anyone know where to look for those? -- FF Which state? For the state you're interested in, start with a net search using Google. Plug in "north carolina statutes" for example, or "new jersey statutes." |
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:40:30 -0500, Cub Driver
wrote: All I know is that I landed on runways that weren't public-use airfields. They weren't pastures, if that's what you mean. That's what I mean. One of them had a hangar and a windsock and a mowed strip; I believe that that was a public-use airfield in the process of going private. If it was near Andover it will stay public. Loong sorrowful story on that one, I worked there for about 10 years. Good news is the town bought it. Bad news is the town doesn't know what to do with it. Buildings need some repair, but a flight operation and maintenance shop (which used to thrive there) would be enough to get it going again. We're working on getting through. The others were more basic, but all were mowed and clearly visible as runways from the air, and were used regularly by their owners and their friends. Thanks. You've outlined Private/Public strips. I was wondering about the pasture aspect of it. z |
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:42:39 -0500, Cub Driver
wrote: ...Friend of a friend landed there when he had engine trouble. He was required to dissasemble the aircraft and truck it out of there; wasn't permitted to take off. Yeah, they told me the same... but when I went down later in the evening to "check on the plane" there was nobody around, and I figured (correctly, but barely) that it would be easier to beg forgiveness than get permission... On a related note while we're discussing NJ statutes, does anybody know what the legality is of ultralight operations off other than approved airfields? -Dana -- -- If replying by email, please make the obvious changes. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------Come to think of it, there already are a million monkeys at a million typewriters, and the Internet is _NOTHING_ like Shakespeare! |
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