Question on Aivdyne / Garmin Integrated Avionics Packages

I'm trying to understand how capable the new breed of integrated
avionics suites are (Aviyne Eclipse, Garmin G1000), and read somewhere
that although these systems are very capable, they don't have the
"mission capabilities" of a Proline 21. I.e., the Eclipse and Garmin
systems are ok for recreational flights but can't ever be used for
regular commercial service.

After looking at the functions of these systems, I can't understand why
this would be so? Would appreciate any input on what the Proline 21
offers that the less expensive systems don't....

Thanks in advance,

Jon

"Jon" wrote in message
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I'm trying to understand how capable the new breed of integrated
avionics suites are (Aviyne Eclipse, Garmin G1000), and read somewhere
that although these systems are very capable, they don't have the
"mission capabilities" of a Proline 21.

How much is the Proline?

I.e., the Eclipse and Garmin
systems are ok for recreational flights but can't ever be used for
regular commercial service.

Where in hell did you get that?

After looking at the functions of these systems, I can't understand why
this would be so? Would appreciate any input on what the Proline 21
offers that the less expensive systems don't....

I think someone is jerking your chain.

I'm trying to understand how capable the new breed of integrated
avionics suites are (Aviyne Eclipse, Garmin G1000), and read somewhere
that although these systems are very capable, they don't have the
"mission capabilities" of a Proline 21. I.e., the Eclipse and Garmin
systems are ok for recreational flights but can't ever be used for
regular commercial service.

After looking at the functions of these systems, I can't understand why
this would be so? Would appreciate any input on what the Proline 21
offers that the less expensive systems don't....


In the versions for single piston engine planes, both the Avidyne Entegra
and Garmin G1000 are lacking the full FMS and aircraft systems monitoring.
The versions for the Eclipse and Mustang will be as capable as those in any
other small business jet.

What do you think you mean by 'regular commercial service' ? Neither of
these systems are marketed at part 121 aircraft.

Jon,

I'm trying to understand how capable the new breed of integrated
avionics suites are (Aviyne Eclipse, Garmin G1000), and read somewhere
that although these systems are very capable, they don't have the
"mission capabilities" of a Proline 21. I.e., the Eclipse and Garmin
systems are ok for recreational flights but can't ever be used for
regular commercial service.

After looking at the functions of these systems, I can't understand why
this would be so? Would appreciate any input on what the Proline 21
offers that the less expensive systems don't....

May be Autothrottle, VNAV, real FMC's (able of computing optimized climb,
cruise and descent based on cost indexes) and these kind of things?

Proline is a very sophisticated, integrated package consisting of far more
than what's visible to the eye ;-)

Perhaps one day Garmin, Avidyne et al will be on par, but today they are
not. I don't think they intend to be.

Best Regards

Kai

"Jon" wrote in message
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I'm trying to understand how capable the new breed of integrated
avionics suites are (Aviyne Eclipse, Garmin G1000), and read somewhere
that although these systems are very capable, they don't have the
"mission capabilities" of a Proline 21. I.e., the Eclipse and Garmin
systems are ok for recreational flights but can't ever be used for
regular commercial service.

After looking at the functions of these systems, I can't understand why
this would be so? Would appreciate any input on what the Proline 21
offers that the less expensive systems don't....

Thanks in advance,

Jon


The current installations of the G1000 and Avidyne systemes only have a
single AHRS. You could still likely use them for charter though a redundant
AHRS, as planned for the Mustang, would be a good idea.

Dude wrote:

"Jon" wrote in message
ups.com...
I'm trying to understand how capable the new breed of integrated
avionics suites are (Aviyne Eclipse, Garmin G1000), and read somewhere
that although these systems are very capable, they don't have the
"mission capabilities" of a Proline 21. I.e., the Eclipse and Garmin
systems are ok for recreational flights but can't ever be used for
regular commercial service.

After looking at the functions of these systems, I can't understand why
this would be so? Would appreciate any input on what the Proline 21
offers that the less expensive systems don't....

Thanks in advance,

Jon


The current installations of the G1000 and Avidyne systemes only have a
single AHRS. You could still likely use them for charter though a redundant
AHRS, as planned for the Mustang, would be a good idea.

Any equippage for jets less than at least a single Flight Management System
(FMS) is rudimentary and probably lacks RSVM and other important capabilities.
A G-1000 is great in a Cessna 182, but not so red hot in a jet that goes to
flight levels.

The current installations of the G1000 and Avidyne systemes only have a
single AHRS. You could still likely use them for charter though a
redundant
AHRS, as planned for the Mustang, would be a good idea.

Any equippage for jets less than at least a single Flight Management
System
(FMS) is rudimentary and probably lacks RSVM and other important
capabilities.
A G-1000 is great in a Cessna 182, but not so red hot in a jet that goes
to
flight levels.


I don't think you are comparing apples to apples. The Mustang G1000 system
will not be as limited as the 182's.

I have a lot to say about Cessna that is negative, but I haven't yet seen
anything that would lead me to believe that they are going to produce an
unsafe jet.

wrote:



Any equippage for jets less than at least a single Flight Management System
(FMS) is rudimentary and probably lacks RSVM and other important capabilities.
A G-1000 is great in a Cessna 182, but not so red hot in a jet that goes to
flight levels.


Tim,

An FMS has absolutely nothing to do with *RVSM* capability. I fly
around in the flight levels all day in jets that have nothing more than
dual VOR's and a very rudimentary IFR GPS.

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane

Scott Skylane wrote:

wrote:


Any equippage for jets less than at least a single Flight Management System
(FMS) is rudimentary and probably lacks RSVM and other important capabilities.
A G-1000 is great in a Cessna 182, but not so red hot in a jet that goes to
flight levels.


Tim,

An FMS has absolutely nothing to do with *RVSM* capability. I fly
around in the flight levels all day in jets that have nothing more than
dual VOR's and a very rudimentary IFR GPS.



That's why I joined "FMS" and "RVSM" with an "and."

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That's why I joined "FMS" and "RVSM" with an "and."


Tim,

O.K., I see your original point, now.

As a data point, I fly jets all day that do not have FMS, but are RVSM
equipped and do not lack any other "important" capabilities.

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane