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The ethanol nightmare has arrived!
Jay, if your only alternative to keep flying was to drop, say, $40K
into a diesel conversion for Atlas, would you? Nope. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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The ethanol nightmare has arrived!
But of course, to 'Big Corn' (corollary to 'Big Oil') the fact that
ethanol is far from our salvation is ignored. Also by the various politicians who are deep into the pockets of 'Big Corn'. Boy, you ain't kidding. Here in Iowa, we're seeing ethanol plants pop up everywhere, like daisies. (The only thing being built faster is casinos -- we now have 19 casinos in a state with less population than Metro Chicago!) I keep wondering what in the hell is going to happen to all these plants, built in all these communities, when the ethanol bubble bursts. It's just another gummint scam. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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The ethanol nightmare has arrived!
I'm trying to locate a new source, but may not be successful. The ethanol is added at the distribution rack. Chevron and a couple others are requiring their retailers to go to E-10. Have you actually tried to go to a Chevron station, get some of the Premium gas, and actually test it for ethanol? E10 should be very obvious with the test tube method. Because Washington state has a relatively sensible ethanol law, and the fact that wholesale ethanol price is very high right now, there's a chance that you might get ethanol free gas by buying the Premium fuel. Remember, ethanol is not mixed into the fuel until the local distribution terminal, because it can't be transported in pipelines. |
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The ethanol nightmare has arrived!
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:apXKj.58870$TT4.53961@attbi_s22... But of course, to 'Big Corn' (corollary to 'Big Oil') the fact that ethanol is far from our salvation is ignored. Also by the various politicians who are deep into the pockets of 'Big Corn'. Boy, you ain't kidding. Here in Iowa, we're seeing ethanol plants pop up everywhere, like daisies. (The only thing being built faster is casinos -- we now have 19 casinos in a state with less population than Metro Chicago!) That's why I'm so glad I moved almost 200 miles further east - it's a great opportunity to expand my "territory" ! I keep wondering what in the hell is going to happen to all these plants, built in all these communities, when the ethanol bubble bursts. It's just another gummint scam. They'll be the "ghost towns" of the 21st century. The gummint will spend more $$$billions to "re-locate" the inhabitants. -- Matt Barrow Performance Homes, LLC Cheyenne, WY |
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The ethanol nightmare has arrived!
On Apr 7, 7:41 pm, Al wrote:
A new twist is a 5.1 cent per gallon federal fuel tax break to the oil companies to get this "alternative" fuel into the market. BTW, this credit (5.1 cent on E10) has been on the book since 2004. It's not a new thing: http://www.ethanol.org/index.php?id=...20Tax%20Credit |
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The ethanol nightmare has arrived!
On Apr 8, 8:44 am, wrote:
I heard a blurb on NPR the other day that it's mandated by the feds for the summer to lessen polution. There seems to be so many misinformation about ethanol in fuel. A little Google search shows: * ethanol was first introduced in larger scale in gasoline as an oxygenate back in 1990s, the RFG program, to reduce the CO emission mostly in winter in some metro areas. On carburated auto engines ethanol has the effect of leaning out the mixture - hence reducing the CO emission especially when the engine is cold. This effect is mostly irrelevant now that vast majority of the cars have electronic ignition and automatic mixture control. * The oil companies didn't like ethanol because 1. it can't be transported in pipelines and 2. they didn't control its production. They prefer MTBE, an oxygenate produced from petroleum. EPA at the time didn't care whether MTBE and ethanol is being used. * MTBE was later found to be contaminating ground water, and the congress in 2005(6?) denied MTBE producer's request for a liability waver. As a result, MTBE as an oxygenate was completely phased out about two years ago and all areas designated as "non-attainment" areas by EPA must use ethanol as oxygenate, which triggered the first large scale shortage of ethanol and a big price run-up. * In the mean time, some states have passed various laws mandating ethanol blending in gasoline. The exact requirement can be very different from state to state. * In 2004, Congress passed the law to give 51 cent per gallon subsidy for pure ethanol (and proportional tax credit for various % of blend). * In 2007, Congress passed the law (and Bush signed it) to require a rapidly increase of renewable fuel by 2022 (See http://www.ethanol.org/index.php?id=78&parentid=26 for the schedule). For the first few years this would come almost entirely from corn ethanol. This misguided effort resulted in a huge increase of corn price, food price - particular meats, and ethanol price in 2007 when 20% of the entire U.S. corn production was turned into ethanol - which was merely the first year of the schedule (see http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ne...G=Search+News). Interestingly enough, even with 51c a gallon tax credit ethanol producers have been barely turning a profit lately due to this huge run-up of corn price, and this is merely the beginning. To produce 15 billion gallons of corn ethanol a year it would probably require more than 50% of the entire U.S. corn harvest, a situation that's highly unlikely to occur. If you think $3/dozen eggs is expensive, imagine $10/dozen eggs - that's what'll happen if we produce anywhere near 15 billion gallons of corn ethanol a year. * Even though the 2007 law requires a massive increase of ethanol blending in gasoline, it didn't exactly specify that each gallon of gasoline must contain certain percentage of ethanol. The oil companies are free to blend ethanol in some areas and not other areas , or to blend in regular gas but not premium, etc, etc - subject to state by state regulations. My point is? This ethanol madness totally sucks, but the hard reality has begun to set in. Just wait for another year when the food price totally shoot through the roof, something will change. I have already seen the news coverage regarding corn ethanol turning largely negative in the last month or so. |
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The ethanol nightmare has arrived!
"Matt W. Barrow" wrote in
: "Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:apXKj.58870$TT4.53961@attbi_s22... But of course, to 'Big Corn' (corollary to 'Big Oil') the fact that ethanol is far from our salvation is ignored. Also by the various politicians who are deep into the pockets of 'Big Corn'. Boy, you ain't kidding. Here in Iowa, we're seeing ethanol plants pop up everywhere, like daisies. (The only thing being built faster is casinos -- we now have 19 casinos in a state with less population than Metro Chicago!) That's why I'm so glad I moved almost 200 miles further east - it's a great opportunity to expand my "territory" ! I keep wondering what in the hell is going to happen to all these plants, built in all these communities, when the ethanol bubble bursts. It's just another gummint scam. They'll be the "ghost towns" of the 21st century. The gummint will spend more $$$billions to "re-locate" the inhabitants. Wow, the sum of your's and Jay's IQ's combined are somehow less than they are independantly. Amazing. How do you do that? Bertie |
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The ethanol nightmare has arrived!
"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:apXKj.58870$TT4.53961@attbi_s22: But of course, to 'Big Corn' (corollary to 'Big Oil') the fact that ethanol is far from our salvation is ignored. Also by the various politicians who are deep into the pockets of 'Big Corn'. Boy, you ain't kidding. Here in Iowa, we're seeing ethanol plants pop up everywhere, like daisies. (The only thing being built faster is casinos -- we now have 19 casinos in a state with less population than Metro Chicago!) I keep wondering what in the hell is going to happen to all these plants, built in all these communities, when the ethanol bubble bursts. It's just another gummint scam. You are an idiot. Bertie |
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The ethanol nightmare has arrived!
"Jay Honeck" wrote in news:TlXKj.112166
$yE1.82115@attbi_s21: Jay, if your only alternative to keep flying was to drop, say, $40K into a diesel conversion for Atlas, would you? Nope. Well, there you are. Dummer'n dirt. Bertie |
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The ethanol nightmare has arrived!
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... "Matt W. Barrow" wrote in : "Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:apXKj.58870$TT4.53961@attbi_s22... But of course, to 'Big Corn' (corollary to 'Big Oil') the fact that ethanol is far from our salvation is ignored. Also by the various politicians who are deep into the pockets of 'Big Corn'. Boy, you ain't kidding. Here in Iowa, we're seeing ethanol plants pop up everywhere, like daisies. (The only thing being built faster is casinos -- we now have 19 casinos in a state with less population than Metro Chicago!) That's why I'm so glad I moved almost 200 miles further east - it's a great opportunity to expand my "territory" ! I keep wondering what in the hell is going to happen to all these plants, built in all these communities, when the ethanol bubble bursts. It's just another gummint scam. They'll be the "ghost towns" of the 21st century. The gummint will spend more $$$billions to "re-locate" the inhabitants. Wow, the sum of your's and Jay's IQ's combined are somehow less than they are independantly. Amazing. How do you do that? Bertie It involves "animal magnetism". Number One |
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