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Recently, Dave S posted:
AINut wrote: It could also be that the person figured that since it wasn't any of their business and totally irrelevant to flight safety, he wasn't going to tell them about it. I can empathize with that. David Fortunately, the FAA doesn't leave it up to individuals to decide what is or is not relevant to flight safety. In this case, there is more than one reason to suspect that his problem *could* be a risk, and that possibility was underscored by his lying about it. Unfortunately, if he wanted to seek the PRIVELEDGE of flying in the US (outside the confines of the sport class)he needed to obtain the medical. He made his choice and they made an example of him. Had he simply owned up to it, he would likely had finally been issued the medical... and wouldn't be incarcerated now. I'd guess that he lied about it because a drug conviction may pretty much eliminate his chances of being issued a medical. And, it's an indictment against his judgement that he didn't expect the feds to find out about it. Regards, Neil |
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Ron Natalie wrote:
AINut wrote: He might have the same thoughts that I have: 1) It's none of the FAA's business what crimes you may or may not have committed -- if you already done your time, you've paid your dues. The FAA medical process is exceptionally intrusive into your private affairs in the supposed name of flight safety. Frankly, there's no "privacy issue" here anyhow. Criminal records are public knowledge. 2) the FAA has no NEED of old info that is completely irrelevant to earning a license. The FAA does not consider of history of drug issues to be irrelevant. Obviously. But they are wrong. |
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AINut wrote in
: Ron Natalie wrote: The FAA does not consider of history of drug issues to be irrelevant. Obviously. But they are wrong. ...and with respect to your statement, your medical and/or psychiatric credentials are?..... -- |
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AINut wrote:
Ron Natalie wrote: AINut wrote: He might have the same thoughts that I have: 1) It's none of the FAA's business what crimes you may or may not have committed -- if you already done your time, you've paid your dues. The FAA medical process is exceptionally intrusive into your private affairs in the supposed name of flight safety. Frankly, there's no "privacy issue" here anyhow. Criminal records are public knowledge. 2) the FAA has no NEED of old info that is completely irrelevant to earning a license. The FAA does not consider of history of drug issues to be irrelevant. Obviously. But they are wrong. No, they are being prudent. Matt |
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AINut wrote: Ron Natalie wrote: AINut wrote: He might have the same thoughts that I have: 1) It's none of the FAA's business what crimes you may or may not have committed -- if you already done your time, you've paid your dues. The FAA medical process is exceptionally intrusive into your private affairs in the supposed name of flight safety. Frankly, there's no "privacy issue" here anyhow. Criminal records are public knowledge. 2) the FAA has no NEED of old info that is completely irrelevant to earning a license. The FAA does not consider of history of drug issues to be irrelevant. Obviously. But they are wrong. You have *your* opinion. They have _theirs_. The law says "their opinion is the only one that counts". Since they 'own the game', *IF* you're going to "play the game", you play by _their_ rules. Note: criminal convictions -- even after 'time served' -- ARE indicative of the prior exercise of "bad judgement", among other things. Telling lies about prior convictions on a document where it says "you can go to jail if you lie here" is _continued_ exercise of "bad judgement". The FAA has a *valid* "public safety" interest in evaluating the 'judgement' of the candidate 'pilot in command' in life-and-death situations -- affecting not only said pilot, but passengers, and potentially _large_ numbers of people on the ground. |
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AINut wrote:
Ron Natalie wrote: AINut wrote: He might have the same thoughts that I have: 1) It's none of the FAA's business what crimes you may or may not have committed -- if you already done your time, you've paid your dues. The FAA medical process is exceptionally intrusive into your private affairs in the supposed name of flight safety. Frankly, there's no "privacy issue" here anyhow. Criminal records are public knowledge. 2) the FAA has no NEED of old info that is completely irrelevant to earning a license. The FAA does not consider of history of drug issues to be irrelevant. Obviously. But they are wrong. No, you are. A history of drug abuse is an indicator of future behaviour. The FAA does have the right and obligation to keep druggies from flying. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" wrote in message news:qkyVd.20908$Sn6.6551@lakeread03... No, you are. A history of drug abuse is an indicator of future behaviour. This is blatent bull****... you've eaten way too many government MRE's The FAA does have the right and obligation to keep druggies from flying. This is true... so require the person to take drug tests more frequently. I agree that in this case... falsifying the app was what screwed him. |
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Jughugs wrote:
"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" wrote in message news:qkyVd.20908$Sn6.6551@lakeread03... No, you are. A history of drug abuse is an indicator of future behaviour. This is blatent bull****... you've eaten way too many government MRE's That's your opinion. Since you can't debate without being abusive this discussion is closed. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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read: Since you won't agree with me, I'll take my marbles.
If history of drug abuse is an indicator of future behavior, that explains the actions of the moron in the White House... "Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" wrote in message news:Z1LVd.21110$Sn6.8789@lakeread03... Jughugs wrote: "Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" wrote in message news:qkyVd.20908$Sn6.6551@lakeread03... No, you are. A history of drug abuse is an indicator of future behaviour. This is blatent bull****... you've eaten way too many government MRE's That's your opinion. Since you can't debate without being abusive this discussion is closed. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" wrote in message news:Z1LVd.21110$Sn6.8789@lakeread03... Jughugs wrote: "Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" wrote in message news:qkyVd.20908$Sn6.6551@lakeread03... No, you are. A history of drug abuse is an indicator of future behaviour. This is blatent bull****... you've eaten way too many government MRE's That's your opinion. Since you can't debate without being abusive this discussion is closed. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired Ah, but Dannie, they can prosecute you for lying about a lot of other little sins you may have committed and not fessed up to on that airman medical form: Back in the summer of 2004, I flipped out the airman medical application form and showed it to about 8 airmen at my airport. Most of them sheeple-ishly admitted to having trouble with the two questions about criminal records and motor vehicle traffic convictions. None of them would admit to any rational connection between an airman's medical exam to determine if he were safe to fly and a criminal record, especially a misdemeanor record. One of them admitted to having to call a lawyer about one question on his form and then having to answer it, "YES," i. e., that he had had a conviction for which he had had to attend driver improvement school to get points off his driver license in order to operate a motor vehicle on the streets and highways. He had to pay a higher fee to the doctor (for having to come back later to finish his medical) and of course an attorney fee. Once we began to have a full discussion of the meanings of the questions, we found that most of these pilots were unconvicted felons for having answered one or more of the questions uncandidly. We the sheeple. One of the pilots had been convicted of resisting an officer, another of a simple non-traffic misdemeanor, one of assault, one of bedding and cohabitation (i. e., shacking up, which Dannie is probably guilty of, if he would only admit it), and one said that although unconvicted he felt a little guilty because he had committed onanism. I must confess I had a bulge in my pants once while standing in line at the movies in South Carolina with a voluptuous girl in shorts and halter just in front of me (which was a serious crime calling for a year's imprisonment and fine). All of them -- all of us -- are now more aware of the irrational deviousness of Big Brother. Do you have any despicable scofflaws operating aircraft out of your airport? And then there's this, which I wrote in August, 2004, titled "Big Brother Wants to Know What Infractions You've Committed Before He Lets You Fly": And he asks this nosy, meddlesome affront to the Constitution on your application for a third class medical. Here's the question: Do you have a history of nontraffic convictions (misdeameanors or felonies)? And take a look at the intrusive question next to it. Then ask yourself WTF that information has to do with a third class medical. Oh, and by the way, the Social Security Act specifically guarantees that the social security number is for social security and social security ONLY. So would Big Brother lie to you? Do government agencies lie? So, now let's see here. Big Brother somehow thinks this criminal record inquiry into your moral character and social status has something to do with your ability to fly safely, but not until after 9-11. Thus, if you have been convicted of simple assault, disturbing the peace, jaywalking, failure to apply for a privilege license, joyriding, cussing in public, landing a helicopter in a National Park, hunting deer without a license, cohabiting without benefit of clergy, riding a skateboard on the Parkway, disturbing a religious service, attempting to parachute off the world trade center, violation of a child support law, failure to pay either state or federal taxes, violation of the age of consent, disorderly conduct, trespass, or any number of simple misdemeanors you may be unfit to fly. Otherwise, why would Big Brother ask all these nosy questions? Not to mention that any felony you may have been convicted of could be disqualifying. As to felonies, of course Big Brother has been frantically busy the last decade figuring out ingenious new ways to make you into a convicted felon, including converting traditional misdemeanors into felonies. Sorry, nolo contendere (no contest) won't help you. Neither will an expunction. Go ahead and admit to the disgusting things you have done, even if the record has been expunged or you pleaded nolo. If you don't you will face the risk of perjury charges. See that little NOTICE of felony fine and imprisonment at the bottom left of the cold and calculating, but tricky, federal form? Good luck, boys, getting by the moral character and fitness committee for that flying ticket. Be ever watchful. Big Brother gives with one hand and takes abundantly with the other. He has already stolen your 9th Amendment and is reaching his grimy hands for more amendments. After all, as an FBI agent caught violating the Bill of Rights once said, "They're just amendments." Read the Ninth Amendment and see: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. |
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