Big Kahunas

("Earl Grieda" wrote)
There is a good science fiction novel, Russian Spring by Norman
Sprinrad,that is starting to appear prophetic. Essentially, the U.S. has
become a conservative bastion ruled and populated by buffons, where the best
and the brightest leave for other countries. Europe and Russia have joined
together and are creating an energetic space program along with an open,
tolerant society.


Haven't read that book. I'm still plowing my way through John Adams, and now
The Da Vinci Code has been dropped in my lap.

I used to really like *thin* comic books....

It's *all* fiction - unless it's about the Chinese being the dominant world
power - for the next 100 years.

It's all about China folks. If you don't think so, just wait a few more
years...you'll see.

--
Montblack
http://lumma.de/mt/archives/bart.gif

David

David. Once more. I just don't suffer fools and sleep soundly.

You Texas 'Two Step' around the original post and now instead of
acknowledging the short combings of the last Democratic
administration, you blow hot air and try to overwhelm all with Crap.

Take your last shot. You've got GW for five more years so drop your
pants, bend over and joy it.

Big John

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On 03 Dec 2003 22:59:11 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet
wrote:

Big John writes:

David

You didn't directly address my "lie, steal and cheat".
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Stood up on TV and admitted to the world that he "lied".

More than any other president has done. He seems to actually value
integrity.

Stole furniture from White House when he left and had to return it
(WSJ and other sources)

Widely debunked.

Cheated on Hillery (admitted on TV)

Big deal. I take for granted that anybody at that level has "cheated"
on their spouse; power is the ultimate aphrodisiac. The cases we
actually *hear* about are a tiny portion of the cases that occur, and
are randomly selected.

Besides, we have no idea what his actual deal with his wife was; so
far as I'm concerned she's the only one with standing to complain of
his behavior.

Comments.

There are a few.

I notice you've had nothing to say about the fraud Halliburton and
Dick Cheney have been profiting from, and the long string of lies out
of the White House to get us into this war, and the deliberate
"outing" of an undercover CIA operative to punish her husband for
writing a report critical of the administration's position (the
"yellowcake" scandal). Or his brother's illegally purging black
voters from the rolls in Florida to get Bush elected in the first
place. Frankly the crimes of this administration take us back to
19th-century levels, or perhaps to third-world hellhole levels.

In pursuit of his personal goals, he's lied to the public, to
congress, and to our allies for the purpose of getting us all into a
war with Iraq. That's not what *I* mean by "honest". That's
ideoglogically-driven insanity.

And what, in your view of the world, were these secret reasons that he
"lied" about?

In your view, what were his REAL motives for ousting Saddam?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" writes:

In pursuit of his personal goals, he's lied to the public, to
congress, and to our allies for the purpose of getting us all into a
war with Iraq. That's not what *I* mean by "honest". That's
ideoglogically-driven insanity.

And what, in your view of the world, were these secret reasons that he
"lied" about?

"Secret"? Very clear; he wanted to topple Saddam Hussein.

In your view, what were his REAL motives for ousting Saddam?

Probably large to one-up his father.
--
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Dragaera/Steven Brust: dragaera.info/

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, mike regish wrote:

If that truly becomes the case, I will seriously consider moving to Canada.

Canada has a great tradition as a refuge for the more sensible sort of
American!

Not just Vietnam, either. Consider the Yanks who *did* want to fight while
the US was waffling around with neutrality in the two World Wars!



Brian.


mike regish

"Wdtabor" wrote in message
...
In article 0bUyb.276099$9E1.1453263@attbi_s52, "mike regish"
writes:


His polls are slipping every day, with every soldier killed, with each
day
that goes by with no WMD. And he's still got a year to go.


Wishful thinking on your part. Third year of first term poll numbers are
always
low for the President. They were for Clinton as well, in fact, they were
much
worse for him than Bush's are now.

Right now, people are mentally comparing Bush to some ideal "West Wing"
sort of
Presidency in their minds. When he is compared to a real Democrat Dwarf
next
year, that will not be the case.

Failing some catastrophe in the economy, get used to GWB till 2008, then
Rice
for the next 8.

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

mike regish opined

I'm talking about the polls favoring the war in Iraq.

People will wise up eventually. They might have pliable minds, but the fact
remains that this war is proving to be unjustified.

But will they wise up before the election?


-ash
for assistance dial MYCROFTXXX

In article , David Dyer-Bennet
wrote:

Stood up on TV and admitted to the world that he "lied".

More than any other president has done. He seems to actually value
integrity.

wow! That is pretty close to the dumbest thing I've read on
usenet.

--
Bob Noel

In article .ca,
Brian Burger wrote:

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, mike regish wrote:

If that truly becomes the case, I will seriously consider moving to
Canada.

Canada has a great tradition as a refuge for the more sensible sort of
American!

Not just Vietnam, either. Consider the Yanks who *did* want to fight
while
the US was waffling around with neutrality in the two World Wars!




some people just aren't happy. whining when the US doesn't
take action and more whining when the US does.

--
Bob Noel

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 16:37:13 -0600 Big John wrote:

David

David. Once more. I just don't suffer fools and sleep soundly.

You Texas 'Two Step' around the original post and now instead of
acknowledging the short combings of the last Democratic
administration, you blow hot air and try to overwhelm all with Crap.

Take your last shot. You've got GW for five more years so drop your
pants, bend over and joy it.

Big John

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Looks like you're new to usenet. Don't get too worked up. I hope you
don't plonk everyone you disagree with. But then again I guess that's
the republican way. So little tolerance for opposing or alternate views.


R. Hubbell




On 03 Dec 2003 22:59:11 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet
wrote:

Big John writes:

David

You didn't directly address my "lie, steal and cheat".
`````````````````````````````````````````````````` ```````````````````````````````
Stood up on TV and admitted to the world that he "lied".

More than any other president has done. He seems to actually value
integrity.

Stole furniture from White House when he left and had to return it
(WSJ and other sources)

Widely debunked.

Cheated on Hillery (admitted on TV)

Big deal. I take for granted that anybody at that level has "cheated"
on their spouse; power is the ultimate aphrodisiac. The cases we
actually *hear* about are a tiny portion of the cases that occur, and
are randomly selected.

Besides, we have no idea what his actual deal with his wife was; so
far as I'm concerned she's the only one with standing to complain of
his behavior.

Comments.

There are a few.

I notice you've had nothing to say about the fraud Halliburton and
Dick Cheney have been profiting from, and the long string of lies out
of the White House to get us into this war, and the deliberate
"outing" of an undercover CIA operative to punish her husband for
writing a report critical of the administration's position (the
"yellowcake" scandal). Or his brother's illegally purging black
voters from the rolls in Florida to get Bush elected in the first
place. Frankly the crimes of this administration take us back to
19th-century levels, or perhaps to third-world hellhole levels.

"Wdtabor" wrote in message
...
| In article k.net, "Earl
| Grieda" writes:
|
| There is a good science fiction novel, Russian Spring by Norman Sprinrad,
| that is starting to appear prophetic. Essentially, the U.S. has become a
| conservative bastion ruled and populated by buffons, where the best and
the
| brightest leave for other countries. Europe and Russia have joined
together
| and are creating an energetic space program along with an open, tolerant
| society.
|
| Why would the best and brightest leave a conservative, capitalist society
where
| their talents and efforts would bring them success to have the fruits of
their
| labors plundered by a socialist regime?
|
| Those who would leave would be the failures who THINK they are the best
and
| brightest, taking their degrees in Fench literature and art history with
them.
|
| Oh dear, how will we get along without them?
|

The Europeans have not changed their tune since the sixteenth century. They
have always regarded Americans as rustics and buffoons and themselves as the
epitome of tolerance and culture. This, from a continent that is barely able
to feed itself, is unwilling or unable to defend itself, and where the
height of fashion is American western wear and where American music reigns
supreme.

Europeans have given rise to a rapid succession of tyrants that culminated
in the 20th century with nearly the complete annihilation of the human race.
Beginning with the Napoleonic wars, America has had to intervene repeatedly
to save Europe from the megalomaniac madmen the cretins continually select
as their rulers. They are classist beyond belief, celebrating ugly little
traditions like Boxing Day, where the lower classes are given gifts by their
social superiors. European philosophy is equally ugly, socialist,
relativistic, and even nihilist in its point of view.

The few Americans who buy into the European view have always tried to
portray themselves as cultural elites. In fact, the movie stars and effete
snobs who think Europe is so great are usually either uneducated high school
dropouts or products of insular liberal arts programs delivered in ivory
towers.

Oh, yeah -- there is nothing so intolerant as the promoters of 'tolerance.'
Frankly, if it was not likely to end in a world-wide conflagration, it would
be better to just pull our military peacekeepers out of Europe and let the
continent implode in its own pride and hubris. Unfortunately, the Europeans
cannot be entrusted to not hurl nuclear weapons at each other, so the
presence of our troops will be necessary for a long time to come.