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So, Ron, wht did you mean by this post, other than what it clearly says?

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No, homebuilts are type certificated under Part 21 as Experimental.

No John, they are not. They do not have type certificates. What they
have are individual airworthiness certificates issued under 21.191.There
is no type certification of experimentals.

You had best get with the "experimental aircraft association" on that one,
Ron.

Ooops, missed the close quotes.
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No, homebuilts are type certificated under Part 21 as Experimental.

No John, they are not. They do not have type certificates. What they
have are individual airworthiness certificates issued under 21.191.There
is no type certification of experimentals.

You had best get with the "experimental aircraft association" on that one,
Ron.

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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So, Ron, wht did you mean by this post, other than what it clearly says?

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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No, homebuilts are type certificated under Part 21 as Experimental.

No John, they are not. They do not have type certificates. What they
have are individual airworthiness certificates issued under 21.191.There
is no type certification of experimentals.

You had best get with the "experimental aircraft association" on that one,
Ron.


With the exception of paragraph (b) which has nothing to do with
amateur-built aircraft where the hell is the word TYPE anywhere in 21.191?


Subpart H -- Airworthiness Certificates

Source: Docket No. 5085, 29 FR 14569, Oct. 24, 1964, unless otherwise noted.

§21.191 Experimental certificates.

Experimental certificates are issued for the following purposes:

(a) Research and development. Testing new aircraft design concepts, new
aircraft equipment, new aircraft installations, new aircraft operating
techniques, or new uses for aircraft.

(b) Showing compliance with regulations. Conducting flight tests and other
operations to show compliance with the airworthiness regulations including
flights to show compliance for issuance of type and supplemental type
certificates, flights to substantiate major design changes, and flights to
show compliance with the function and reliability requirements of the
regulations.

(c) Crew training. Training of the applicant's flight crews.

(d) Exhibition. Exhibiting the aircraft's flight capabilities, performance,
or unusual characteristics at air shows, motion picture, television, and
similar productions, and the maintenance of exhibition flight proficiency,
including (for persons exhibiting aircraft) flying to and from such air
shows and productions.

(e) Air racing. Participating in air races, including (for such
participants) practicing for such air races and flying to and from racing
events.

(f) Market surveys. Use of aircraft for purposes of conducting market
surveys, sales demonstrations, and customer crew training only as provided
in §21.195.

(g) Operating amateur-built aircraft. Operating an aircraft the major
portion of which has been fabricated and assembled by persons who undertook
the construction project solely for their own education or recreation.

(h) Operating kit-built aircraft. Operating a primary category aircraft that
meets the criteria of §21.24(a)(1) that was assembled by a person from a kit
manufactured by the holder of a production certificate for that kit, without
the supervision and quality control of the production certificate holder
under §21.184(a).

[Amdt. 21-21, 38 FR 6858, May 7, 1968, as amended by Amdt. 21-57, 49 FR
39651, Oct. 9, 1984; Amdt. 21-70, 57 FR 41369, Sept. 9, 1992]

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So, Ron, wht did you mean by this post, other than what it clearly says?

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No, homebuilts are type certificated under Part 21 as Experimental.

No John, they are not. They do not have type certificates. What
they
have are individual airworthiness certificates issued under
21.191.There
is no type certification of experimentals.

You had best get with the "experimental aircraft association" on that
one,
Ron.


With the exception of paragraph (b) which has nothing to do with
amateur-built aircraft where the hell is the word TYPE anywhere in 21.191?

Non-sequitur.

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So, Ron, wht did you mean by this post, other than what it clearly
says?

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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No, homebuilts are type certificated under Part 21 as
Experimental.

No John, they are not. They do not have type certificates. What
they
have are individual airworthiness certificates issued under
21.191.There
is no type certification of experimentals.

You had best get with the "experimental aircraft association" on that
one,
Ron.


With the exception of paragraph (b) which has nothing to do with
amateur-built aircraft where the hell is the word TYPE anywhere in
21.191?

Non-sequitur.


JTarver

You are without a doubt the most obnoxious poster in the rec.aviation.*
groups. I that is saying something.

You keep telling Ron that amateur-built aircraft have a type certificate.
Yet NO where in the FAR are the words "amateur-built" and "type" ever in the
same paragraph. What the regs clearly show is that amateur-built aircraft
are flown under an experimental AIRWORTHINESS certificate.

To when your side of the argument all you have to do is cut and paste the
damn reg you think you are quoting.

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says?

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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No, homebuilts are type certificated under Part 21 as
Experimental.

No John, they are not. They do not have type certificates.
What they
have are individual airworthiness certificates issued under
21.191.There
is no type certification of experimentals.

You had best get with the "experimental aircraft association" on
that one,
Ron.


With the exception of paragraph (b) which has nothing to do with
amateur-built aircraft where the hell is the word TYPE anywhere in
21.191?

Non-sequitur.


JTarver

You are without a doubt the most obnoxious poster in the rec.aviation.*
groups. I that is saying something.

I am sorry you get upset when your newsgroup consensus turns out to be
wrong.

You keep telling Ron that amateur-built aircraft have a type certificate.
Yet NO where in the FAR are the words "amateur-built" and "type" ever in
the
same paragraph. What the regs clearly show is that amateur-built aircraft
are flown under an experimental AIRWORTHINESS certificate.

Geeze, when the idiots make a mistake, they really take it to the limit.

The village idiot Knoyle trolled me with an archive troll for three years,
relying solely on his own ignorance of pitot static systems. Now this is
the way it works, you either roll over and ****, or keep making a fool of
yourself, Giacona.

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.... or keep making a fool of yourself, Giacona.

You seem to have that capability locked up. Try private posts if you have to
follow up on this this silly vendetta

Michael

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says?

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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No, homebuilts are type certificated under Part 21 as
Experimental.

No John, they are not. They do not have type certificates.
What they
have are individual airworthiness certificates issued under
21.191.There
is no type certification of experimentals.

You had best get with the "experimental aircraft association" on
that one,
Ron.


With the exception of paragraph (b) which has nothing to do with
amateur-built aircraft where the hell is the word TYPE anywhere in
21.191?

Non-sequitur.


JTarver

You are without a doubt the most obnoxious poster in the rec.aviation.*
groups. I that is saying something.

I am sorry you get upset when your newsgroup consensus turns out to be
wrong.

You keep telling Ron that amateur-built aircraft have a type
certificate.
Yet NO where in the FAR are the words "amateur-built" and "type" ever in
the
same paragraph. What the regs clearly show is that amateur-built
aircraft
are flown under an experimental AIRWORTHINESS certificate.

Geeze, when the idiots make a mistake, they really take it to the limit.

The village idiot Knoyle trolled me with an archive troll for three years,
relying solely on his own ignorance of pitot static systems. Now this is
the way it works, you either roll over and ****, or keep making a fool of
yourself, Giacona.


Hi Splaps,
How about section 40, aluminum generator wiring, DC gens. on 777s
etc, etc, etc...
http://home.att.net/~j.knoyle/the_ta...hronicles.html

Jimmy

Come on guys, GROW UP -- all of you!

On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 03:41:55 GMT, "Jim Knoyle"
wrote:


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So, Ron, wht did you mean by this post, other than what it clearly
says?

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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No, homebuilts are type certificated under Part 21 as
Experimental.

No John, they are not. They do not have type certificates.
What they
have are individual airworthiness certificates issued under
21.191.There
is no type certification of experimentals.

You had best get with the "experimental aircraft association" on
that one,
Ron.


With the exception of paragraph (b) which has nothing to do with
amateur-built aircraft where the hell is the word TYPE anywhere in
21.191?

Non-sequitur.


JTarver

You are without a doubt the most obnoxious poster in the rec.aviation.*
groups. I that is saying something.

I am sorry you get upset when your newsgroup consensus turns out to be
wrong.

You keep telling Ron that amateur-built aircraft have a type
certificate.
Yet NO where in the FAR are the words "amateur-built" and "type" ever in
the
same paragraph. What the regs clearly show is that amateur-built
aircraft
are flown under an experimental AIRWORTHINESS certificate.

Geeze, when the idiots make a mistake, they really take it to the limit.

The village idiot Knoyle trolled me with an archive troll for three years,
relying solely on his own ignorance of pitot static systems. Now this is
the way it works, you either roll over and ****, or keep making a fool of
yourself, Giacona.


Hi Splaps,
How about section 40, aluminum generator wiring, DC gens. on 777s
etc, etc, etc...
http://home.att.net/~j.knoyle/the_ta...hronicles.html

Jimmy

Nothing wrong with Ron's perspective, but John is being his usual
"foot-in-mouth and then evade and spin the English language" self.

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Come on guys, GROW UP -- all of you!

On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 03:41:55 GMT, "Jim Knoyle"
wrote:


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So, Ron, wht did you mean by this post, other than what it
clearly
says?

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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No, homebuilts are type certificated under Part 21 as
Experimental.

No John, they are not. They do not have type certificates.
What they
have are individual airworthiness certificates issued under
21.191.There
is no type certification of experimentals.

You had best get with the "experimental aircraft association"
on
that one,
Ron.


With the exception of paragraph (b) which has nothing to do with
amateur-built aircraft where the hell is the word TYPE anywhere
in
21.191?

Non-sequitur.


JTarver

You are without a doubt the most obnoxious poster in the
rec.aviation.*
groups. I that is saying something.

I am sorry you get upset when your newsgroup consensus turns out to be
wrong.

You keep telling Ron that amateur-built aircraft have a type
certificate.
Yet NO where in the FAR are the words "amateur-built" and "type"
ever in
the
same paragraph. What the regs clearly show is that amateur-built
aircraft
are flown under an experimental AIRWORTHINESS certificate.

Geeze, when the idiots make a mistake, they really take it to the
limit.

The village idiot Knoyle trolled me with an archive troll for three
years,
relying solely on his own ignorance of pitot static systems. Now this
is
the way it works, you either roll over and ****, or keep making a fool
of
yourself, Giacona.


Hi Splaps,
How about section 40, aluminum generator wiring, DC gens. on 777s
etc, etc, etc...
http://home.att.net/~j.knoyle/the_ta...hronicles.html

Jimmy