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"Outlandings" discussion
On Jan 27, 7:22*pm, Andreas Maurer wrote:
Since cows don't tend to on airfields... In my many landouts only 2 had encounters with cows. Both were on prepared runways and one was at a fenced municipal airport. At Muleshoe near Littlefield I had pushed the glider to the ramp (apron) and spent the next hour trying to keep a large herd of cows that appeared from behind a hangar from approaching the glider. At a ranch strip NW of Uvalde a very pregnant cow took a liking to the glider, shredded the canopy cover, bent the TE probe, and did its best to get in the way while we derigged. It's hard to argue with a large bovine when you have a wing root in both hands. I don't know if is significant that both these contests were in Texas. To the OP. It may not matter what you call your landings, but if your buddies all got home and are drinking beer and you call for a retieve, I suspect they'll all think you landed out. And if you are in a contest, and you only get distance points, the other contestants will also think you landed out. (US perspective, YMMV) Andy |
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Andy hit the nail on the head: If your buds drink all your beer and
you have to buy dinner, it's a landout! Here in Illinois where I fly, you have to try pretty hard (in a glass ship) to land off-field; there's an airport just about every 15 miles. Which makes it fun to push just that extra mile late in the day, knowing you can get a short aero-retrieve if you pooch your final glide. And, while I have no hesitation to land at a strange airport, I am more and more reluctant to risk my ship in an off field landing during non-contest flights - it's just too easy to keep a good airport option open all the time (really easy with a good PDA moving map). Of course, this does require some homework, making sure you know where all the good landing strips/airfields are located in your area - just because they are on a sectional or database doesn't mean they really exist! Contests, naturally, may require a slightly higher level of risk - but you can't win if your ship is damaged, can you? Kirk 66 |
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I'm with Andy & Kirk - if I don't make it back to my home field and my
beer cooler it's an outlanding. I have also landed in easy fields and at difficult narrow strips and don't believe you should categorize one as necessarily easier than the other. Maybe it's no coincidence that the three of us have all flown a lot in Arizona and the southwest USA where we have some really tricky strips. Mike |
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On Jan 28, 2:38*pm, Mike the Strike wrote:
I'm with Andy & Kirk - if I don't make it back to my home field and my beer cooler it's an outlanding. *I have also landed in easy fields and at difficult narrow strips and don't believe you should categorize one as necessarily easier than the other. Maybe it's no coincidence that the three of us have all flown a lot in Arizona and the southwest USA where we have some really tricky strips. Mike Yep, I agree, if you're buying the beer etc. it's an "Official Landout" and I agree the SW strips can be sporty 2007 was a banner year for me with 7 landouts, a personal best, I even had three in a row, a "hat trick" so I'm told. 2 - At a private sectional noted dirt AP, long strip but cut into the side of a sizable hill with some pine trees & cross winds to be aware of. W/ one aero retrieve and one call your buddies / beer retrieve. About 17 miles from my home AP. 2 - At a sloping farmers field about 12 miles from my Home AP, beer etc. retrieve. 1 - At a new but previously unknown until I was 1500 over it grass/ dirt strip, but entertaining with a tree on one side in the middle, irrigation piping along the other side, yes to miss the tree I had to put my wing over the irrigation pipe and just to keep it interesting an active tractor blocking one end. The very friendly owner flew me back to my AP in his plane so I could PU my Truck and self retrieve. Beers all around! 25 miles from my home AP. 1 - At a sloping grass field sandwiched between a T-storm out flow and class B, with surface wind 25kts & gusting, 25 miles from my home AP, no damage to my ship but a very tough day for many. 1 - On a dirt road, that once was also used as a private strip and noted on the local TP list as such, but it had a few steel posts to avoid, so good thing I always go for the short roll. This was after passing on another private strip noted on the TP list as a private strip possibility but found to have hazards in the middle of the strip. About 50 miles from my home AP. All of the above landing locations in my opinion contained the standard risks of an off airport landing, so I'll count them all as adding seven more to my next contest entry questionair. No damage to my ship in any of the above noted landouts but the potential is always in you rmind. If you're lucky enough to be setting it down on a Big ol Asphalt 100' wide with a 5,000' runway then it's not a true off airport landing, but if it's not your home AP then your still buying the beer etc. so... 21 Colorado |
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On Jan 27, 7:07*am, "
wrote: So, what do you call an outlanding? Great discussion on this topic. Last year at Region 9 Parowan, the attending ground crews (SCUM) spontaneously coined a new objective for their racers on or about the third day of the contest. The goal was to "land in". That says it all to me. Everything else is a landout. Horst L33 |
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On Jan 28, 10:32 pm, wrote:
On Jan 27, 7:07 am, " wrote: So, what do you call an outlanding? Great discussion on this topic. Last year at Region 9 Parowan, the attending ground crews (SCUM) spontaneously coined a new objective for their racers on or about the third day of the contest. The goal was to "land in". That says it all to me. Everything else is a landout. Horst L33 How about this one: day 2 at Perry last year. 2 turnpoints in opposite directions from the home field. I never could find lift beyond Perry on the way to turnpoint 2 and wound up landing in front of my trailer. Only distance points as a result. |
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Well I just like to keep my trailer excersized. Ive flown small
triangles and came back home. It was cool but sort of boring in its own way. Im working on getting the CAP to be my crew for at least some flights this summer. that should be cool! Might have to add a tent to my landout kit! I have landed at a few airports and I guess I wouldnt technically consider them landouts from my perspective but they certainly are from the crews perspective. Short wings are good for missing the runway lights |
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It's Shaw's "two countries divided by a common language" again,
Martin. In aviation parlance over here, CAP means Civil Air Patrol, the guys who go out searching for overdue pilots. It's easy to get confused. A few weeks ago, you started a post with "snap". I couldn't find anything in your post that indicated something was broken, but then an English friend explained the game you were referring to. Another confusing point was a reference to Noddy in another posting - Wikipedia explained that over here we'd use Mickey Mouse. Finally, there's that Rube Goldberg/Heath Robinson thing... English as she are spoke... -John On Jan 29, 4:35 pm, Martin Gregorie wrote: wrote: Well I just like to keep my trailer excersized. Ive flown small triangles and came back home. It was cool but sort of boring in its own way. Im working on getting the CAP to be my crew for at least some flights this summer. that should be cool! Might have to add a tent to my landout kit! Why would a Civil Aviation Publication require a tent? -- martin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org | |
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"Outlandings" discussion
On Jan 29, 4:58 pm, jcarlyle wrote:
It's Shaw's "two countries divided by a common language" again, Sometimes ascribed to Wilde. It's easy to get confused. A few weeks ago, you started a post with "snap". I couldn't find anything in your post that indicated something was broken, but then an English friend explained the game you were referring to. Another confusing point was a reference to Noddy in another posting - Wikipedia explained that over here we'd use Mickey Mouse. Finally, there's that Rube Goldberg/Heath Robinson thing... English as she are spoke... If you think Noddy is a tough one, try explaining the cultural significance of Noddy's friend the Golliwog to an American. Mike |
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