Preliminary NTSB Report on the Oshkosh P51 Crash Released

"Danny Deger" wrote

Who runs this P-51 community that is trying to run the internet? I havn't
heard from anyone.

Typical response from you.

Just like when you were at NASA, NOBODY is going to tell you what to do, or
how to do it. Thus, all of your problems.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Danny Deger" wrote

Who runs this P-51 community that is trying to run the internet? I
havn't heard from anyone.

Typical response from you.

Just like when you were at NASA, NOBODY is going to tell you what to do,
or how to do it. Thus, all of your problems.

If you can't answer the question -- throw around some random insults.

Danny Deger

"Danny Deger" wrote

If you can't answer the question -- throw around some random insults.

OK, we will play it your way.

You wrote: Who runs this P-51 community that is trying to run the internet?
I
haven't heard from anyone.

Who runs it? Nobody, but Dudley was asked to pass the word along that the
P-51 community would appreciate seeing all of the conjecture stop, until the
report came out.

I would well imagine that seeing it all guessed about, and throwing around
blame is painful for those involved and their families. Can you comprehend
that? It is called courtesy.

As far as why you have not heard from anyone, why would you. You are NOBODY
to the P-51 community. Nobody.

What do we have to gain from continuing to guess about this accident? Will
it save any lives? No, because those that fly the airshows will make damn
sure that clearance is maintained on landing. Does that involve you? Are
you flying P-51's at airshows? No? Even if we did come up with all of the
answers, it would not benefit you anyway.

So, my original post stands. Any further response from you is just further
proof that you can not accept the truth.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Danny Deger" wrote

If you can't answer the question -- throw around some random insults.

OK, we will play it your way.

You wrote: Who runs this P-51 community that is trying to run the
internet? I
haven't heard from anyone.

Who runs it? Nobody, but Dudley was asked to pass the word along that the
P-51 community would appreciate seeing all of the conjecture stop, until
the report came out.

I would well imagine that seeing it all guessed about, and throwing around
blame is painful for those involved and their families. Can you
comprehend that? It is called courtesy.

As far as why you have not heard from anyone, why would you. You are
NOBODY to the P-51 community. Nobody.

What do we have to gain from continuing to guess about this accident?
Will it save any lives? No, because those that fly the airshows will make
damn sure that clearance is maintained on landing. Does that involve
you? Are you flying P-51's at airshows? No? Even if we did come up
with all of the answers, it would not benefit you anyway.

So, my original post stands. Any further response from you is just
further proof that you can not accept the truth.

Because you continue to throw grossly insulting random comments with your
request, my answer to you is NO. For example I never said I expected
someone from the P-51 community to contact me, but I thought they might post
something here -- like Dudley did. In a request for me to do something for
you and others, you call me a NOBODY (in all caps). Hardly a way to
persuade people to your calling.

To Dudley who didn't throw grossly insulting comment to me with his
request -- the answer is yes.

I do understand the pain of loosing a friend to an aircraft accident. As an
Air Force F-4 pilot I lost more than one friend to the hazards of flying
high perfomance aircraft.

On saving lives, I did use this forum to suggest to all that kicking in a
little slip a couple of times on short final is good practice. I do it all
the time. Maybe someone reading will do this someday and see the runway is
not clear. Just a little trick I learned from my first taildragger
instructor.

Danny Deger

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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Frank Ch. Eigler wrote:
Dudley Henriques writes:

The following information came in to me by back channel [...]
[...] The demonstration air race was completed and the five
aircraft were in the process of landing separately, and not in
formation, on runway 36.

Does that make sense though? It sounds like the two planes were very
close already on final, and the trailing pilot ought to have seen the
one just ahead.

- FChE

My sources tell me the A was on an extended final. With the amount of
flap the A was carrying, he would have also had to have been carrying
some manifold pressure to keep the nose up in that situation. It is
entirely possible that a Mustang in that approach configuration would
have a visual scan of the runway beyond where the D was obviously being
flared beneath the A's nose.
I believe the restricted visibility inherent to the A was a contributing
factor to this accident. I also believe that the investigation will
reveal additional factors involving the prebriefed pattern sequencing
and errors within that sequencing.
Dudley Henriques

The *really* hard part, at least for me, will be to remember to look this up
after the final report is released. OTOH, there may be a new thread started
to serve as a reminder.

I'm countin' on youse guys.

Peter
(This case is too tragic for a smiley)

Perhaps the P51 community, which by one persons comments cares about
no one who is not part of it...can teach its pilots not to do stupid
things that kills.

Ron Lee

"Peter Dohm" wrote

The *really* hard part, at least for me, will be to remember to look this
up
after the final report is released. OTOH, there may be a new thread
started
to serve as a reminder.

I'm countin' on youse guys.

Jeez-o-Pete! Where ya'll from, talkin' like'at? g

But seriously - from this group, can you imagine that a new thread would NOT
be started when the report is out?

I can't! small smiley here, laughing at ourselves
--
Jim in NC

"Ron Lee" wrote in message
...
Perhaps the P51 community, which by one persons comments cares about
no one who is not part of it...can teach its pilots not to do stupid
things that kills.

Just because one their community, or at least claims to be, has to use
grossly insulting comments to make a point, we don't need such comments
about a fatal error made by a pilot. More than once I have done a stupid
thing in an airplane and almost died.

Danny Deger

I forgot to mention the other safety tip I added to this thread. Based on
my personal experience doing many of them -- after being trained by the Air
Force -- formation landings are dangerous. Maybe somebody reading this
message will someday avoid death by not attempting this dangerous maneuver
without proper training. Dudley has pointed out this dangerous maneuver is
not recommended in P-51 and was not the cause of the recent death of a
fellow pilot.

As to the P-51 community thinking I am a NOBODY, I have flown 3 aircraft
that are much higher performance than the P-51. By my standards it is
underpowered, climbs like a brick, has a low service ceiling, is very slow,
and isn't armed heavily enough to do much damage to enemy aircraft or enemy
forces on the ground. Also, I am an owner of a prewar, vintage taildragger
that I fly often. Last thing, as the Space Shuttle Entry Training Flow
Supervisor I literally wrote the book on flying from Mach 25 to Mach 1.
This is not a misprint. By anybody's standards I am a leading expert on how
to fly an aircraft at Mach 25. If this makes me a NOBODY to someone who has
flown or owns a P-51, then I want no part of this community. My guess is
you are a poor spokesman for the P-51 community.

Danny Deger

"Danny Deger" wrote

Just because one their community, or at least claims to be, has to use
grossly insulting comments to make a point, we don't need such comments
about a fatal error made by a pilot.

I can't let that one pass.

Point to anywhere in any of the posts I made, that state or imply that I am
one of the P-51 community.

I expect that you will retract your post.

You started this little ****ing contest. End it.
--
Jim in NC