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Crows Landing Airport
Theres this really weird airport in my area called Crows landing. Its
charted on the sectional just like any other airport, except it had the word "(CLOSED)" written underneath. Does anyone know why they chose to chart is like that and not the normal circle with an "X" through it? I've been doing some googling, and this is what I have learned about the airport: It was first a Navy airport in WWII, used to train Navy pilots. After the war, it was used as an auxiliary base (whatever that means, I'm not a military type). In 1993, the Navy gave it to NASA, and they used it primarily for testing certain technologies they were working on. NASA apparently closed it in 1999 because they couldn't afford it anymore. Now, the county owns it and uses it for training police officers and stuff. I also found some Usenet postings where people talked about flying RC planes from the field. Anyways, I found this little blurb from this website: http://www.airfields-freeman.com/CA/...lley.htm#crows Jack Daley reported in 2003 that " [...] The airfield is X'd off, but local trainers still shoot occasional touch & go's." Are you allowed to do that? Land at an airport that is charted as "closed"? As long as the runways are in good condition (which they are), is it OK to land there? Can the FAA bust you for any violation for doing something like that? I've always been interested in historic things, and I'd love to go a quick t&g there, but I don't want to get in trouble. Or at least it seems like a great place to do practice emergency landings... |
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buttman wrote:
Theres this really weird airport in my area called Crows landing. Its charted on the sectional just like any other airport, except it had the word "(CLOSED)" written underneath. Does anyone know why they chose to chart is like that and not the normal circle with an "X" through it? Navigation landmark and emergency purposes. Are you allowed to do that? Land at an airport that is charted as "closed"? As long as the runways are in good condition (which they are), is it OK to land there? No. Can the FAA bust you for any violation for doing something like that? Yup. I thought you were a CFI? |
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B A R R Y wrote:
buttman wrote: Theres this really weird airport in my area called Crows landing. Its charted on the sectional just like any other airport, except it had the word "(CLOSED)" written underneath. Does anyone know why they chose to chart is like that and not the normal circle with an "X" through it? Navigation landmark and emergency purposes. Are you allowed to do that? Land at an airport that is charted as "closed"? As long as the runways are in good condition (which they are), is it OK to land there? No. Can the FAA bust you for any violation for doing something like that? Yup. I thought you were a CFI? What FAR says you can't land "off airport"? |
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BillJ wrote:
What FAR says you can't land "off airport"? I really don't know, but people have received enforcement actions for landing at closed fields, without an emergency, accidentally, in my area. They were usually mistaking the larger, closed field for the smaller, open field on the other side of a river. I have a feeling there's off-airport, and "closed" airport. Perhaps the violations weren't of FAR's? |
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What FAR says you can't land "off airport"? I really don't know, but people have received enforcement actions for landing at closed fields, without an emergency, accidentally, in my area. They were usually mistaking the larger, closed field for the smaller, open field on the other side of a river. I have a feeling there's off-airport, and "closed" airport. Perhaps the violations weren't of FAR's? I wonder how the sailplanes handle their landouts ... |
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On Aug 28, 12:09 pm, B A R R Y wrote:
BillJ wrote: What FAR says you can't land "off airport"? I really don't know, but people have received enforcement actions for landing at closed fields, without an emergency, accidentally, in my area. They were usually mistaking the larger, closed field for the smaller, open field on the other side of a river. I have a feeling there's off-airport, and "closed" airport. Perhaps the violations weren't of FAR's? Were these "closed airports" in your area abandoned, or were they closed because they were doing repairs or demolitions or something? There have been airports in my area that have been closed for a few days while work has been the runway, and other various reasons. I can see the FAA going after people who land when work like that is being done for various safety reasons, but Crows Landing is totally abandoned. Landing there isn't going to effect anyone else's safety. Every account I've come upon has said the place is pretty much completely abandoned. Its like landing in a grass field some place in the middle of nowhere, just for fun. As far as I'm aware, as long as you're not putting anyone in danger, and the place is not populated, it's perfectly legal. |
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buttman wrote:
On Aug 28, 12:09 pm, B A R R Y wrote: Were these "closed airports" in your area abandoned, or were they closed because they were doing repairs or demolitions or something? Closed and abandoned, with construction commencing on the reuse of the property. One had a strip capable of handling that massive, six-engine Russian cargo hauler. That strip is far more visible than the smaller executive field nearby. The landings here were accidental. Its like landing in a grass field some place in the middle of nowhere, just for fun. As far as I'm aware, as long as you're not putting anyone in danger, and the place is not populated, it's perfectly legal. As long as you're positive you're not putting anyone in danger... |
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By and large there's no FAR (other than perhaps reckless and dangerous)
that prohibits landing at closed airports. ATC will even advise you the airport is closed, but if you choose to do so you operate at your own risk. The ones that will get you in trouble is if there is some special flight restriction that closes the airport, but if the Mayor paints X's on it or a landowner declares it closed, the FAA is not involved. |
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:51:17 GMT, B A R R Y
wrote: buttman wrote: Theres this really weird airport in my area called Crows landing. Its charted on the sectional just like any other airport, except it had the word "(CLOSED)" written underneath. Does anyone know why they chose to chart is like that and not the normal circle with an "X" through it? Navigation landmark and emergency purposes. Are you allowed to do that? Land at an airport that is charted as "closed"? As long as the runways are in good condition (which they are), is it OK to land there? No. Can the FAA bust you for any violation for doing something like that? Yup. I thought you were a CFI? Depends! If the airport is an active airport that is closed...repairs, what ever. Don't use it. If it's abandoned it then depends on who owns it and what the local and/or state ordinances say. You can use a closed/abandoned airport at your own risk and most likely your insurance isn't valid there. |
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buttman wrote in news:1188268654.632284.311580
@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com: Theres this really weird airport in my area called Crows landing. Its charted on the sectional just like any other airport, except it had the word "(CLOSED)" written underneath. Does anyone know why they chose to chart is like that and not the normal circle with an "X" through it? Because they know you won't fly there and **** up their traffic pattern? Bertie |
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