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C,
The FAA nearly grounded Cirrus with the first rash of accidents. Any source to prove that statement? I doubt it is true. The pilot in Florida had 600 hours in type, was instrument rated, and was a founder of the Cirrus Pilots Association. That does not fit the description of "more money than skill." So? The Cirrus cannot recover from a spin or even an incipient spin. Oh? So you did the certification flights that the company didn't do? Or how do you know that? Sorry, but while the Cirrus might well prove to be less safe than other planes, I just can't stand this cheap propaganda. The Cirrus CAN recover from a spin - it's a certification requirement! It is fulfilled by pulling the chute. No other methods of recovery were officially tested. The FAA was satisfied. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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C,
The fact is that the Cirrus currently owns one of the worst accident and fatality rates of any small airplane. That still doesn't make them "fall out of the sky". And it's not even true, depending on how you look at it. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 18:29:40 +0200, Thomas Borchert
wrote: Stu, If you have that many hours in a Bonanza, you'll never be satisfied with anything else. Well, the Cirrus has the chance to do that, from my perspective. Ever a Bonanza owner? |
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Cirrus could improve their situation vastly by adding speed breaks.
This could reduce the stalls, at least on approach. It would also reduce the severe shock cooling they are seeing due to their engine control system. I believe I have seen Cirrus claim the plane can be revovered from a spin normally, but experience to date has so far shown that may not be that easy. "C J Campbell" wrote in message ... "Doug Vetter" wrote in message et... The SR20's limit of 12000 hours is still too limiting, IMHO, but I can appreciate the FAA's conservatism regarding any new (indeed revolutionary) design. I was told by a Diamond rep that the Diamond aircraft do not have airframe life limits. I would consider them to be just as revolutionary as the Cirrus. However, I have not looked up the Diamond's type certificates to verify the rep's claims. However, I must disagree with the comment about the airplanes "falling out of the sky" -- we just touched on this in Jay's thread. This has NOTHING to do with the airplane. It has EVERYTHING to do with pilots with more money than skill flying them. Actually, it has EVERYTHING (sic) to do with the airplane, whether it is some design flaw that causes them to disintegrate or whether it is a design flaw that makes them too difficult to fly for the pilots that are buying them. In any event, I think the FAA will eventually order Cirrus to get to the bottom of it, no matter what the cause. The FAA nearly grounded Cirrus with the first rash of accidents. I doubt that their patience with Cirrus is unlimited. The pilot in Florida had 600 hours in type, was instrument rated, and was a founder of the Cirrus Pilots Association. That does not fit the description of "more money than skill." The Cirrus cannot recover from a spin or even an incipient spin. Pilots are supposed to deploy the chute if the Cirrus enters a spin. Fine, if you are 900' AGL or more. Probably more, if the chute takes longer to deploy when the airplane is in a spin. So a departure stall or approach stall in this airplane is going to be far more dangerous than in other aircraft. And let us be clear he stalls were a factor in a large percentage of the Cirrus accidents so far. Given that the most common GA accident is low level maneuvering: the slick design of the Cirrus, the inadequate flaps, the poor stall handling abilities, pilot unfamiliarity with the new equipment (which also keeps pilots' eyes inside the cockpit), poor maintenance and quality control, and the inability of the parachute to deploy at low altitude all seem to me to add up to a lot of trouble. |
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How do you look at it?
"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message ... C, The fact is that the Cirrus currently owns one of the worst accident and fatality rates of any small airplane. That still doesn't make them "fall out of the sky". And it's not even true, depending on how you look at it. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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While there have been some accidents due to equipment malfunction, I think
most have been ones where severe lapses in Judgement have occured F Wolf "Dennis" wrote in message ... I'm thinking of purchasing a Cirrus SR22, I seen it at Sun'n Fun (although I have seen it before) and now I can not stop thinking about it. I certainly can not afford to purchase one outright, but have a few people at my local FBO that would be interested in partnering.. I would like to get others ideas in regards to if I should do a lease-back at my local FBO, or take on 4 to 9 other partners.. I will be going to the Rochester fly in next month (http://www.rochesterwings.com) and hope to solidify a deal with Cirrus.. Dennis N3868J MyAirplane.com |
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"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message ... C, The fact is that the Cirrus currently owns one of the worst accident and fatality rates of any small airplane. That still doesn't make them "fall out of the sky". And it's not even true, depending on how you look at it. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) I think "fall out of the sky" is a rather apt description. After all, if one pulls the chute they do "fall out of the sky." |
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"Dude" wrote in message ... Cirrus could improve their situation vastly by adding speed breaks. This could reduce the stalls, at least on approach. It would also reduce the severe shock cooling they are seeing due to their engine control system. How would speed brakes help? Speed brakes do not reduce the speed at which a wing stalls. |
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Stu,
Ever a Bonanza owner? No, keeps me neutral g. I have about 100 hours in Bo's. And a half hour in an SR20. All it took to convince me. The SR20 flies better - to me. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Dude,
This could reduce the stalls, at least on approach. Oh? So how many have stalled on approach again? Right, none. It would also reduce the severe shock cooling they are seeing due to their engine control system. So you can prove damage through shock cooling? Wow! I know no one else who can. And where is the connection to the "engine control system"? -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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