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Bose Headsets
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:02:51 -0400, "Kobra"
wrote: My main complaint with the Bose is the price. I am curious about what Bose brings to the product that makes it worth the extra money. Or David Clark for that matter. I've fantasized about a ANR headset but am deterred by the money. I'll just have to make do with the old-fashioned foam-stuffed noise attenuating headset. If someone can give a good reason to put up the money, I'd like to hear it. RK Henry |
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RK Henry wrote: On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:02:51 -0400, "Kobra" wrote: My main complaint with the Bose is the price. I am curious about what Bose brings to the product that makes it worth the extra money. Or David Clark for that matter. I've fantasized about a ANR headset but am deterred by the money. I'll just have to make do with the old-fashioned foam-stuffed noise attenuating headset. If someone can give a good reason to put up the money, I'd like to hear it. For David Clark, it's easy--they're virtually indestructible, and the company stands behind them like no other. As for the Bose, I've flown with the Series II and the X. There is no headset on the market that even comes close to the audio quality of the Bose sets--not even remotely close. Bose's ANR is impressive, but not $500+ more impressive than Lightspeed. Bose does, however, put outstanding ANR and sound quality into a featherweight, rather slim headset in the Bose X, and that makes pretty good package. Unfortunately, Lightspeed seems to think that comfort means 3" of foam all around your head, which I think is ridiculous. The headsets are just way, way, way too big and bulky. Their QFR sets seem to be a much more reasonable size, and the ANR version of their QFR series has received some positive reviews (and it's relatively inexpensive.) Lightspeed sets don't have the greatest track record for durability, though I'm not sure how the QFR sets might hold up. JKG |
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RK Henry wrote:
My main complaint with the Bose is the price. You and everyone else :-). I am curious about what Bose brings to the product that makes it worth the extra money. Or David Clark for that matter. I've fantasized about a ANR headset but am deterred by the money. I'll just have to make do with the old-fashioned foam-stuffed noise attenuating headset. If someone can give a good reason to put up the money, I'd like to hear it. When I started riding motorcycles in 1976, Bell Helmets started selling $60 helmets, which were 6X the price of the standard helmets on the market. Their marketing campaign basically was "If you have a $10 head, get a $10 helmet". I'll say the same thing about ANR headsets - if being able to hear as you get older isn't worth anything to you, then get a set of passive headsets and save the $200 - $500 difference in cost. However, if you value your hearing, both now and in the future, you should invest in a set of headsets that protects your hearing as well as you can, and ANR does that far better than passive. Now, WHICH ANR headset to get is far less critical than getting a good pair, and there are many good pair. Comfort, sound quality, and cost will all play into the equation. Personally, I got my Bose at a huge discount, so for me the determination was easy. I purchased a set of Lightspeed 15XL's a few years ago, because that was MY $350 :-), and my passenger wears that. Many people want the best sound quality, light weight, and low clamping force, and are willing to pay $1K to get it. Others just want the protection, and you can get that for $300-$500, but the headsets will be bulky, less comfortable, heavier, and have crappier sound quality. You pays your money, and takes your choice. -- Marc J. Zeitlin http://www.cozybuilders.org/ Copyright (c) 2006 |
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On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:46:50 GMT, "Marc J. Zeitlin"
wrote: RK Henry wrote: I am curious about what Bose brings to the product that makes it worth the extra money. Or David Clark for that matter. I've fantasized about a ANR headset but am deterred by the money. I'll just have to make do with the old-fashioned foam-stuffed noise attenuating headset. If someone can give a good reason to put up the money, I'd like to hear it. When I started riding motorcycles in 1976, Bell Helmets started selling $60 helmets, which were 6X the price of the standard helmets on the market. Their marketing campaign basically was "If you have a $10 head, get a $10 helmet". I'll say the same thing about ANR headsets - if being able to hear as you get older isn't worth anything to you, then get a set of passive headsets and save the $200 - $500 difference in cost. However, if you value your hearing, both now and in the future, you should invest in a set of headsets that protects your hearing as well as you can, and ANR does that far better than passive. The question is, does ANR do any better at attenuating the ear-damaging frequencies than ordinary noise attenuating headsets? Has anyone done scientific peer-reviewed studies? Some articles I've read, admittedly some years ago when these things first appeared, suggested that ANR mostly cancelled low frequencies. The foam stuffing in ordinary passive noise attenuating headsets does very well at attenuating the high-energy high-frequencies that seem to be particularly hazardous to the ear and ANR might not offer much extra help there. OTOH, an ordinary noise attenuating headset loses effectiveness when you stick eyeglass (or sunglass) temple pieces between your head and the ear cushion. The bump around the temple pieces allows noise to leak in. Years ago, David Clark sold little foam wedges that slipped on your eyeglasses to smooth over that gap. They worked well, but apparently they're no longer available. Does ANR eliminate the need for such accessories? RK Henry |
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RK Henry wrote:
The question is, does ANR do any better at attenuating the ear-damaging frequencies than ordinary noise attenuating headsets? Yes. Has anyone done scientific peer-reviewed studies? Yes. See: http://www.lightspeedaviation.com/tutorial101.asp for a very good, fair tutorial on the basics of ANR. I used to point folks to this to read about ANR even when I worked at Bose on headsets back in 1999 on the Bose X. I don't believe that pointers to relevant studies are on the Bose website, but I do remember seeing a few good studies (some military) on ANR protection when I was at Bose. I'm sure a search on line or in the library would turn them up. -- Marc J. Zeitlin http://www.cozybuilders.org/ Copyright (c) 2006 |
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RK,
I've fantasized about a ANR headset but am deterred by the money. Those brands you mention are not your only options - just the most expensive. For DC, you pay ridiculous amounts for the name and get a technologically and ergonomically old headset. For Bose you pay for the name - and a very advanced headset. Other options let you pay only for the (possibly not quite that) advanced technology... -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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RK,
The question is, does ANR do any better at attenuating the ear-damaging frequencies than ordinary noise attenuating headsets? I suggest you read the ANR tutorial at Lightspeed's website. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Kobra,
You are correct; the Bose are expensive... But their let-you-use-their-money where they break the price up to 12 no interest $82 payments was hard to pass up. I ordered the headset on early Monday morning and it was at my house at 10:00 am on Tuesday!! I got a chance to use them last night for the first time and I put them on and the first thing I noticed is how easy they are to adjust. I didn't notice a big difference in the passive noise reduction but as soon as I pushed the ANR button it was like night and day... Very nice ANR (even compared to my DC 20 10XL's). And as I was hoping, the microphone was most excellent too... So far so good... I'm planning on doing some more flying this weekend and try them out some more... Yea the cell phone interface would be nice but whatch gonna do... Jon Kobra wrote: Jon, My main complaint with the Bose is the price. Everytime I see the ad I feel like I need to put on a chastity belt to protect my bung hole. I've compared them to my Lightspeed 30-3G's and they are the same in noise reduction, but the Bose are far superior in comfort and size. My second complaint is that, for the money, you would think they would have music and cell phone input. If you want that you have to go with a third party plug for 90 to 100 bucks (assuming you don't own the PS Engineering PMA 8000B also on my wish list). I've just been waiting for that one feature to be added and that will be the excuse I need to pardon Bose for financial sodomy. Kobra "Jon Kraus" wrote in message .. . I just broke down and ordered a Bose Aviation Headset X. I have been wanting one for several years but 1 AMU is a lot of cash for a headset... Then I remembered how deaf I am becomming adnd thought that this would be the best protection for my non-renewable hearing. I already have a set of David Clarks H20 10XL's and they work great so if the Bose work better than I'll be tickled pink. How many of you good folks fly with the Bose or have used them and give me a PIREP. Thanks!! Jon Kraus |
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FWIW, I've got the lightspeed 30-3G (yes they are bulky, but they work). DRE
put out a US made ANR Headset (not unlike the DC13.4 form factor) for around US$279.00. They might not be the best (although I have read positive reports), seem to be built like the proverbial Brick Sh#$%^thouse and you cannot use price as an excuse for not going ANR. Might be worth a look http://www.drecomm.com/6kservice.htm Available from Avionics West IIRC. Cheers, Kevin "RK Henry" wrote in message ... On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:02:51 -0400, "Kobra" wrote: My main complaint with the Bose is the price. I am curious about what Bose brings to the product that makes it worth the extra money. Or David Clark for that matter. I've fantasized about a ANR headset but am deterred by the money. I'll just have to make do with the old-fashioned foam-stuffed noise attenuating headset. If someone can give a good reason to put up the money, I'd like to hear it. RK Henry |
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RK Henry wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:02:51 -0400, "Kobra" wrote: My main complaint with the Bose is the price. I am curious about what Bose brings to the product that makes it worth the extra money. Because people pay it. G Do I think my Bose X is WORTH $995? Not really. Am I happy I bought them every time I use them? Absolutely. After trying them for 30 days, I bent over, heald my cheeks, and kept the headset, simply because I liked them enough to pay the price of admission. |
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