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Any news about the new 600kg Microlight/ultralight in Europe?



 
 
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Old November 7th 18, 01:30 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Emir Sherbi
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Default Any news about the new 600kg Microlight/ultralight in Europe?

Hi,


Is there any news about the new 600kg mtow limit rules in european countries?

Any draft or publication?


regards


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Old November 7th 18, 08:38 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Chris Wedgwood[_2_]
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On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 12:31:01 AM UTC, Emir Sherbi wrote:
Hi,


Is there any news about the new 600kg mtow limit rules in european countries?

Any draft or publication?


regards


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Old November 7th 18, 12:48 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dave Walsh
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At 07:38 07 November 2018, Chris Wedgwood wrote:
On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 12:31:01 AM UTC, Emir

Sherbi wrote:
Hi,


Is there any news about the new 600kg mtow limit rules in

european
countries?

Any draft or publication?


regards


My understanding is this is happening BUT member states of
the European Union do not have to adopt it so you might have
600kg ultra-lights in Germany but not in France?
Of course I may be totally wrong but this seems to be the local
gossip in SW France.

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Old November 7th 18, 01:15 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Emir Sherbi
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Default Any news about the new 600kg Microlight/ultralight in Europe?

Sorry,i didn't express myself correctly.
I was hoping that someone from Germany or Czech republic for example tell me "this is what we are going to do in our country".
It's complicated to google this new stuff in google in another language.

Regards
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Old November 8th 18, 04:45 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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The regulation is now in force:

REGULATION (EU) 2018/1139 OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 4 July 2018 on common rules in the field of civil aviation and establishing a European Union Aviation Safety Agency
[...]
Article 2 Scope
[...]
8. A Member State may decide to exempt from this Regulation the design, production, maintenance and operation activities in respect of one or more of the following categories of aircraft:
(a) aeroplanes, other than unmanned aeroplanes, which have no more than two seats, measurable stall speed or minimum steady flight speed in landing configuration not exceeding 45 knots calibrated air speed and a maximum take-off mass (MTOM), as recorded by the Member State, of no more than 600 kg for aeroplanes not intended to be operated on water or 650 kg for aeroplanes intended to be operated on water;
(b) helicopters, other than unmanned helicopters, which have no more than two seats and a MTOM, as recorded by the Member State, of no more than 600 kg for helicopters not intended to be operated on water or 650 kg for helicopters intended to be operated on water;
(c) sailplanes, other than unmanned sailplanes, and powered sailplanes, other than unmanned powered sailplanes, which have no more than two seats and a MTOM, as recorded by the Member State, of no more than 600 kg.


This means indeed that there no longer will be a single definition for microlights in Europe. As microlights approved in one country need a separate authorization to fly in every foreign country, this can mean trouble if your microlight doesn't conform to the foreign nation limits.

Germany has notified the European Union that it will apply these exemption rules to their full extent.

The French aeronautical authority has agreed with the microlight community to implement an exemption for airplanes and helicopters with MTOM 500 kg, 525 kg with global parachute rescue system, 545 kg with floats + parachute, AND minimum steady flight speed in landing configuration not exceeding 35 knots. For 2-axis microlights (deltas with engine), the limits will remain 300 kg MTOM for a single seater and 450 kg for a two-seater. No exemption announced for sailplanes.

This could mean that a future German 600 kg microlight would be banned from flying in France...

If sanity prevails and the French authorities decide that the French limits don't apply to a German registered microlight, this could mean that French pilots wanting a 600 kg microlight will have to register it in Germany.
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Old November 8th 18, 11:20 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dave Walsh
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At 15:45 08 November 2018,
wrote:
The regulation is now in force:=20

REGULATION (EU) 2018/1139 OF THE EUROPEAN

PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of
=
4 July 2018 on common rules in the field of civil aviation

and
establishing=
a European Union Aviation Safety Agency
[...]
Article 2 Scope
[...]
8. A Member State may decide to exempt from this

Regulation the design,
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duction, maintenance and operation activities in respect of

one or more of
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the following categories of aircraft:
(a) aeroplanes, other than unmanned aeroplanes, which

have no more than
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seats, measurable stall speed or minimum steady flight

speed in landing
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nfiguration not exceeding 45 knots calibrated air speed and

a maximum
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off mass (MTOM), as recorded by the Member State, of no

more than 600 kg
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r aeroplanes not intended to be operated on water or 650

kg for aeroplanes
=
intended to be operated on water;
(b) helicopters, other than unmanned helicopters, which

have no more than
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wo seats and a MTOM, as recorded by the Member State,

of no more than 600
k=
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650 kg for
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pters intended to be operated on water;
(c) sailplanes, other than unmanned sailplanes, and

powered sailplanes,
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er than unmanned powered sailplanes, which have no more

than two seats and
=
a MTOM, as recorded by the Member State, of no more

than 600 kg.


This means indeed that there no longer will be a single

definition for
micr=
olights in Europe. As microlights approved in one country

need a separate
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uthorization to fly in every foreign country, this can mean

trouble if
your=
microlight doesn't conform to the foreign nation limits.=20

Germany has notified the European Union that it will apply

these exemption
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rules to their full extent.

The French aeronautical authority has agreed with the

microlight community
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to implement an exemption for airplanes and helicopters

with MTOM 500 kg,
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25 kg with global parachute rescue system, 545 kg with

floats + parachute,
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AND minimum steady flight speed in landing configuration

not exceeding 35
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nots. For 2-axis microlights (deltas with engine), the limits

will remain
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seater. No exemption
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nounced for sailplanes.

This could mean that a future German 600 kg microlight

would be banned
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flying in France...=20

If sanity prevails and the French authorities decide that the

French
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don't apply to a German registered microlight, this could

mean that
French=
pilots wanting a 600 kg microlight will have to register it in

Germany.=20

This is exactly the sort of thing that one expects with
"European Harmonisation". If you think it looks a mess try
re-registering a German glider trailer as a French one. Two
countries with a common border, 40+ years to get systems
harmonised, in reality a bureaucratic mess!

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Old November 9th 18, 12:09 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Martin Gregorie[_6_]
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 22:20:24 +0000, Dave Walsh wrote:

This is exactly the sort of thing that one expects with "European
Harmonisation". If you think it looks a mess try re-registering a German
glider trailer as a French one. Two countries with a common border, 40+
years to get systems harmonised, in reality a bureaucratic mess!

That sort of nonsense isn't the personal property of the EU, French or
German bureaucracies. Its common to all bureaucracies world wide.

In my experience anyway, it peaks in the Indian and British civil
services, where I'm uncertain which is the worst or who picked up the
most bad habits from the other. In all cases the actual job is not
relevant: what counts is who has the biggest/most important department
and, among anybody above Higher Executive Officer level, playing
dominance games with one's peers.


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Old November 9th 18, 08:25 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Any news about the new 600kg Microlight/ultralight in Europe?

On Friday, 9 November 2018 01:09:47 UTC+2, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 22:20:24 +0000, Dave Walsh wrote:

This is exactly the sort of thing that one expects with "European
Harmonisation". If you think it looks a mess try re-registering a German
glider trailer as a French one. Two countries with a common border, 40+
years to get systems harmonised, in reality a bureaucratic mess!

That sort of nonsense isn't the personal property of the EU, French or
German bureaucracies. Its common to all bureaucracies world wide.

In my experience anyway, it peaks in the Indian and British civil
services, where I'm uncertain which is the worst or who picked up the
most bad habits from the other. In all cases the actual job is not
relevant: what counts is who has the biggest/most important department
and, among anybody above Higher Executive Officer level, playing
dominance games with one's peers.


--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org


Historically (pre-EASA), in gliding world, UK has been land of free like no other for gliding. Or at least that is my impression. Maybe you are heading to that direction again?
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Old November 9th 18, 10:58 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dave Walsh
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Default Any news about the new 600kg Microlight/ultralight in Europe?

At 07:25 09 November 2018, krasw wrote:
On Friday, 9 November 2018 01:09:47 UTC+2, Martin

Gregorie wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 22:20:24 +0000, Dave Walsh

wrote:

This is exactly the sort of thing that one expects with

"European
Harmonisation". If you think it looks a mess try re-

registering a
German
glider trailer as a French one. Two countries with a

common border, 40+
years to get systems harmonised, in reality a

bureaucratic mess!

That sort of nonsense isn't the personal property of the

EU, French or
German bureaucracies. Its common to all bureaucracies

world wide.

In my experience anyway, it peaks in the Indian and

British civil
services, where I'm uncertain which is the worst or who

picked up the
most bad habits from the other. In all cases the actual

job is not
relevant: what counts is who has the biggest/most

important department
and, among anybody above Higher Executive Officer

level, playing
dominance games with one's peers.


--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org


Historically (pre-EASA), in gliding world, UK has been land

of free like no
other for gliding. Or at least that is my impression. Maybe

you are heading
to that direction again?

Very good! Is this an example of European humour? From
where I live it looks like we are heading for some degree of
chaos. Even mundane driving licensing looks problematic let
alone pilot licensing. Just hope I'm wrong again.

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Old November 9th 18, 12:50 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Martin Gregorie[_6_]
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 23:25:18 -0800, krasw wrote:

Historically (pre-EASA), in gliding world, UK has been land of free like
no other for gliding. Or at least that is my impression. Maybe you are
heading to that direction again?

From what I've read, immediately post-war when the CAA was restarting its
civil operations, they looked at gliding, decided they didn't want
anything to do with it and handed control to the BGA, where it stayed
until the advent of EASA, when we came under the control of the CAA and
the BGA became part of the structure (CAMO). Before EASA, UK gliders
didn't even carry G-registration: exception was the GSA (military gliding
club) that put G-reg on their gliders until at least the early '70s. I
only know this because my glider was originally owned by the GSA and I
was rather pleased to get its original G-reg back.

Historically the CAA and BGA have worked pretty well together and by and
large this is still the case.

We're heading into chaos at present because a number of greedy *******s
are trying to claim considerably more controlled airspace than they need
or can justify for their traffic level and think the resulting choke
points in class G are SEP. Take a bow, TAG (Farnborough), Oxford and
Norwich to name but two. This also happened immediately post-war: they
were kicked back into their kennels then and it looks as if the same may
happen again.


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