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VISUAL AIRCRAFT RECOGNITION
The F-14, F-15 MiG-29 and Su-27 series all look a LOT alike in motion
to most people. MiG-21 and the F-4 look virtually identical in flight. OPEN THIS FILE AT HOME, NOT AT WORK!!! MIKE from Secrecy News www.fas.org VISUAL AIRCRAFT RECOGNITION (FOUO) More than 160 U.S. and foreign military aircraft are catalogued in a U.S. Army manual which describes their distinctive physical characteristics in order to permit visual identification of the aircraft in flight. The manual is nominally a restricted document, marked "for official use only," and it has not been approved for public release. But a copy was obtained by Secrecy News. Proper identification of aircraft is obviously a matter of military significance. Incorrectly identifying a friendly aircraft (such as an F-15 Eagle) as an enemy aircraft (such as a MiG-29 Fulcrum) in wartime "could cause fratricide," meaning the destruction of friendly aircraft, the manual states. Conversely, incorrectly identifying an enemy aircraft (a Su-24 Fencer) as a friendly one (such as a Tornado) "might allow a hostile aircraft entry into, or safe passage through, the defended area." On the other hand, mistaking one type of hostile aircraft (a Su-17 Fitter) for another type of hostile aircraft (a MiG-21 Fishbed) would generally have "no impact" -- except "if friendly countries were flying some aircraft types that are normally considered hostile." Likewise, mistaking one type of friendly aircraft (an F-4 Phantom) for another (an A-4 Skyhawk) would normally not be a great problem unless "a hostile country was using an aircraft type that is normally considered friendly." The manual covers both well- known and relatively obscure systems, but does not include classified aircraft. Although an earlier edition of the manual was published without access restrictions, the current edition (2006) was not approved for public release. But as the government imposes publication restrictions on an ever larger set of records, the control system seems to be breaking down at the margins, permitting unauthorized access with increasing frequency. In this case, contrary to the restriction notice on the title page, the document does not reveal sensitive "technical or operational information." See "Visual Aircraft Recognition," U.S. Army Field Manual FM 3-01.80, January 2006 (413 pages in a very large 28 MB PDF file): http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-01-80.pdf |
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VISUAL AIRCRAFT RECOGNITION
Mistaking an F-4 for a Scooter or a MiG 21 is like mistaking an 18-
wheeler for a Hummer. Sure, a moron could do it. |
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VISUAL AIRCRAFT RECOGNITION
On 15 Apr 2007 11:41:55 -0700, "Gordon"
wrote: Mistaking an F-4 for a Scooter or a MiG 21 is like mistaking an 18- wheeler for a Hummer. Sure, a moron could do it. It's remarkably easy to mistake a Scooter for a MiG-21 from some aspects. Been there, done that. Didn't shoot! Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" www.thunderchief.org www.thundertales.blogspot.com |
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"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message ... On 15 Apr 2007 11:41:55 -0700, "Gordon" wrote: Mistaking an F-4 for a Scooter or a MiG 21 is like mistaking an 18- wheeler for a Hummer. Sure, a moron could do it. It's remarkably easy to mistake a Scooter for a MiG-21 from some aspects. Been there, done that. Didn't shoot! Was that an electric or a gas scooter? |
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On Apr 15, 3:06 pm, Ed Rasimus wrote:
On 15 Apr 2007 11:41:55 -0700, "Gordon" wrote: Mistaking an F-4 for a Scooter or a MiG 21 is like mistaking an 18- wheeler for a Hummer. Sure, a moron could do it. It's remarkably easy to mistake a Scooter for a MiG-21 from some aspects. Been there, done that. Didn't shoot! Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" www.thunderchief.org www.thundertales.blogspot.com Hey, hey, hey . . . just a minute . . . details, details, we want details on this. Seriously, I don't remember this particular war story. I am sure that I am not the only one in the group would appreciate it if you could tell us more about this experience. Thanks and blue skies to all John |
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On 16 Apr 2007 08:51:48 -0700, "John" wrote:
On Apr 15, 3:06 pm, Ed Rasimus wrote: On 15 Apr 2007 11:41:55 -0700, "Gordon" wrote: Mistaking an F-4 for a Scooter or a MiG 21 is like mistaking an 18- wheeler for a Hummer. Sure, a moron could do it. It's remarkably easy to mistake a Scooter for a MiG-21 from some aspects. Been there, done that. Didn't shoot! Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" www.thunderchief.org www.thundertales.blogspot.com Hey, hey, hey . . . just a minute . . . details, details, we want details on this. Seriously, I don't remember this particular war story. I am sure that I am not the only one in the group would appreciate it if you could tell us more about this experience. Thanks and blue skies to all John Stories that don't get told, are usually stories with not much to tell. This one was simply a case of milling around over N. Vietnam and finding myself directly below a suspicious silouhette--in those days, the general rule that I followed was that you can't be too fast, and you can almost never be too low. Clearly defined black silhouette above of small aircraft with narrow fuselage, fairly small delta wing and a distinct tail plane. All the components of the MiG-21 silhouette. Single exhaust, no smoke. Instantaneous analysis was enemy aircraft--three seconds later, the bogie rolled and the humpbacked, stubby fuselage of an A-4 was clearly indentifiable and my equally instantaneous analysis was "how could I have ever thought it looked like a MiG?" Fortunately the whole sequence took place too quickly for me to engage mouth and broadcast my stupidity to the civilized (i.e. USAF) world. Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" www.thunderchief.org www.thundertales.blogspot.com |
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Gordon wrote: Mistaking an F-4 for a Scooter or a MiG 21 is like mistaking an 18- wheeler for a Hummer. Sure, a moron could do it. Watch the movie "Ice Station Zebra" sometime- the MiG-21s magically transform into F-4s as they overfly the ice station. Pat |
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On Apr 15, 6:15 pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
Gordon wrote: Mistaking an F-4 for a Scooter or a MiG 21 is like mistaking an 18- wheeler for a Hummer. Sure, a moron could do it. Watch the movie "Ice Station Zebra" sometime- the MiG-21s magically transform into F-4s as they overfly the ice station. I can do better than that. ) I have the 3' long MiG 21 model from the movie on a shelf over my desk. They only used one, set up among mirrors to make it appear to be a small formation of jets. Watch them bank in the movie - that formation is almost "magically" tight... The guy that made the movel originally is still breathing - we are going to get him to replace the canopy which has deformed over the years. Neat model, lots of detail, however most of it is painted on. v/r Gordon |
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Gordon wrote: I can do better than that. ) I have the 3' long MiG 21 model from the movie on a shelf over my desk. They only used one, set up among mirrors to make it appear to be a small formation of jets. Watch them bank in the movie - that formation is almost "magically" tight... Speaking of being "magically tight", I once saw that model displayed up on a wall in another movie...in a porn movie to be specific. How and when exactly did you come into possession of it? Neat model, lots of detail, however most of it is painted on. That's what they used to say about Seka also. Pat |
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The man that built it donated it to the San Diego Aerospace Museum in
approximately 1982 -- I have a photo of myself with it in September 1983 in the library of the museum. v/r Gordon Seka? Did you really just invoke the name of Seka?? You are talking to a fan of KEISHA, a *real* woman! |
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